On Jan 2, 1:20*pm, "
wrote:

*'Actually the only totally reliable sysmptom of being stalled is that

the elevator will no longer raise the nose.'

HUH? * Many cases possible where we could have full elevator and not
be stalled. *(I demonstrate this is 2-33 and grob 103 and ask-21.
All you need is heavy pilot (forward CG) and gentle stick back to the
stop. *Glider will mush, but not stall. *Elevator will not raise the
nose........wing does not have angle to stall.

On tow the only additional "weight component" would be a downward
component to the tow rope (thrust). *Since the tension on the tow rope
is fairly low........it should *not have a big effect, but there is
some effect.

But yeah, that extra 10 knots makes all the difference in the world.
(I remember occasionally getting a "slow tow" when flying a 2-32 with
three aboard..........what a handful!!!
Cookie

I know that you have some 'persons of size' out in the States, but I
have never flown a glider that could not stalled in straight flight
with a legal weight (less than 110kg, 242lbs) person in the front
seat. This includes the K21 and the G103. Sometimes you run out of
trim when circling in a thermal with such folk. I weigh about 190lbs
by the way.

Derek C