On Jan 2, 3:13*pm, Derek C wrote:
On Jan 2, 1:20*pm, "
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*'Actually the only totally reliable sysmptom of being stalled is that

the elevator will no longer raise the nose.'

HUH? * Many cases possible where we could have full elevator and not
be stalled. *(I demonstrate this is 2-33 and grob 103 and ask-21.
All you need is heavy pilot (forward CG) and gentle stick back to the
stop. *Glider will mush, but not stall. *Elevator will not raise the
nose........wing does not have angle to stall.

On tow the only additional "weight component" would be a downward
component to the tow rope (thrust). *Since the tension on the tow rope
is fairly low........it should *not have a big effect, but there is
some effect.

But yeah, that extra 10 knots makes all the difference in the world.
(I remember occasionally getting a "slow tow" when flying a 2-32 with
three aboard..........what a handful!!!
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I know that you have some 'persons of size' out in the States, but I
have never flown a glider that could not stalled in straight flight
with a legal weight (less than 110kg, 242lbs) person in the front
seat. This includes the K21 and the G103. Sometimes you run out of
trim when circling in a thermal with such folk. I weigh about 190lbs
by the way.

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I didn't say you "can't" stall these gliders. What I did say was that
you "can" get the stick back to the rear stop, without stalling, if
you are gentle, and if the GC is forward.

But then again.....a couple of new (to me) definitions of "stall" have
come up. I just attended a FAA seminar on stalls, and nobody defined
stall as "stick all the way back and nose won't come up".

I still go by the definition of stall as "when the angle of attack of
the wing reaches or exceeds the critical angle. "

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