On Jan 9, 1:33*pm, Timinnc wrote:
'Andy[_1_ Wrote:



;759645']On Jan 8, 10:20*pm, Timinnc
wrote:-
All my training in a G103. Looking for a decent glass ship under $20k.
Looking seriously at 15b or Jantar Std 2 or Standard 41a. Any big
differences between the Jantar choices? I get that the 15b will likely
climb better in weak lift but the Jantars will dust the 15b when XC. I
am 6'1" and have long arms, so a Jantar should not be a problem for
me.
I know I can't go wrong with the 15b but there is the gelcoat issue...
and if I want to get into XC any time soon the Jantar will do better.
Comes down to condition of plane and trailer for what can be purchased
under $20k. So an opinion about any and all of the planes mentioned
would be good with emphasis on the performance difference regarding
the
Jantar 41a (Standard) and 48-1 (Standard 2). THANKS

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Timinnc-

Never flew the -2 but it was reputed to have better performance than
the original Jantar Std. * The (original) Jantar Std was my first
glass ship (leased not owned) and I did all my Gold and Diamond
flights in it. *I didn't realize how much of a dog it was until I
bought my ASW-19b! *Of course had I not had the opportunity of the
very low cost lease I may never have got into XC and contest flying.
Any glider is better than no glider and I learned a lot in it.

BTW the trailer on that glider sucked but it had no influence on how
often I flew, or where I went. *I didn't know any better.

Andy (GY)

Thanks Andy, but I love dogs... I have 5!..... and I have been told that
the Jantar Std 2 is quite comparable to a 19 and some even like it
better.... but can you qualify what makes a Std (41a) a dog? And it
might be said that an ASW 15 is a dog compared to a 19..... But this is
my first glider and another way to ask my original question is if
everything is equal with regards to trailer, finish, instruments, etc.
and the price the same.... would you choose a Jantar 41 over a 15b? And
part two of the question still stands.... is there quite a bit of
difference between a 41a and 48-1 (std 2).... But thanks for the input.

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Timinnc

41a has very heavy roll forces. Expect your right arm to bulk up
nicely or always ache. It also carries an open class fuselage around
on 15m wings. The canopy is two piece, not hinged, and heavy. It's a
handful (and more) to remove solo to exit the glider in a strong
wind. For someone with a long torso the seating position has to be
very reclined which will be uncomfortable for some.

As Mike says it's built strong. The gear design has carried over to
many of the later SZD gliders. It has a rather strange disk brake
which doesn't seem to work very well.

Despite all this I flew 350 hours in one and enjoyed nearly all of
them. As I said I didn't know any better.

I have never flown a 15 or the Std-2 so cannot offer an informed
opinion on those. At the time I was flying the 41a a club member
bought a new Std-2 and he certainly thought the performance was
better.

The 41a is a truck and the 19b a sports car. That was the impression
I got when moving from one to the other. If you can find someone to
compare the feel of the ASW-15 to that of the ASW-19 you may have a
useful data point.

Andy