On Apr 13, 8:07*pm, L33 wrote:
Well I know it's been said many times before but ... Please recognize
that many pilots of Std Class gliders will always start takeoff roll
with airbrakes open.

Having owned and flown an L-33 (glider type cited by Cookie), I never
needed to use spoilers for takeoff because the ailerons were so
effective at very low speeds. So was the intentional use of spoilers
confirmed or is this just another theoretical discussion?

Horst

Let's not confuse thngs here. The intentional use of spoilers on
ground roll just came up in the discussion. Used in certain gliders
for better roll control at slow speeds during take off .......This is
an incidental discussion from the accident.

What I tried t point out, in general, is that pilots who intentionally
use spoiler on the take off roll, already have their hand on the
spoiler handle, and are already planning to close the spoiler once
aileron control is established, so it is unlikely that they would
somehow end up with unintentional, full open spoiler on tow.

The (third hand) report I got about the accident was the spoilers
opened in flight, on tow. This implies that they were closed but not
locked , and the "sucked" open once underway.....It seems like the
pilot was having some issues while on tow, and was unaware of the
spoilers open.

Cookie