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Old October 16th 11, 06:34 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military
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Default Chinese fighter jet crashes at air show

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:51:28 -0500, Dan wrote:

On 10/15/2011 9:11 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:51:22 -0400, vaughn wrote:

I've heard that claim in regards to several airshow accidents and I
seldom
believe it. If a plane is out of control, you simply can't control it,
so
therefore you can't control where it crashes. From the tiny bit of
video I saw,
that plane appeared far beyond any control from the pilot. I concede
that in
cases of engine failure or fire there may be room for some pilot
heroics.

Concur. OOC is, by definition, NIC of the PIC.


engine failure doesn't mean totally out of control.

As a Commercial glider pilot, I can only agree. But I already implied as
much in my earlier post, and even included in-flight fire.

Vaughn


it seems to me they should make every pilot first get a glider pilots
license and really learn to fly.
at an air show a long time ago I watched Bob Hoover take off and once at
altitude shut his engines of and then do an areobatic show for a half hour
and finally land stopping at a coin he had placed on the runway before
taking off.
His point as he said in his speech to the crowd was that a crash was rarely
the planes fault but usually was the pilots.

I onlt have been in a glider once, I took a four hour glider ride near
Franconia Notch in the White Mts, it was amazing , so graceful and peaceful.
it's something I recommend everybody do.



What o'haha fails mention is both examples were under good
conditions. When things go bad in a high performance aircraft it
happens fast and usually not under ideal circumstances. In the event of
engine failure flight control rapidly degrades due to lack of hydraulic
pressure.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


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