Subject: Is it easier now?
From: "Joe Osman"
Date: 2/27/04 10:49 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Did military discipline become looser and more liberal since WWI?. Is
military life easier now than it was then?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


I assume you mean WWII. According to "This Kind of War" by T. R.
Fehrenbach, the looser and more liberal started right after WWII with the
Army's Doolittle Commission, which recommended taking out a lot of the
strict discipline that you describe. Many WWII Army veterans were of the
opinion that they didn't need all that discipline and would have done just
fine without it. They made this known to their congressman. The end result
was a lot of dead soldiers in Korea because the US Army was often too
undisciplined to stand and fight. Books like "The River and the Gauntlet" by
SLA Marshall or "East of Chosin" and "Disaster in Korea" both by Roy E.
Appleman show the lack of discipline in the American soldiers and its
consequences.

Joe




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Thank you. Best post on the subject yet.
We were trained to iron discipline and obedience to orders. The price of paid
later for a sloppy momma's boy military is now well documented. Sadly.




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer