On 5 Mar 2004 22:19:16 -0800, (monkey) wrote:


You know what, I've flown british jets and with british pilots, and
they both suck. i would take a us made jet anytime over the
eurofighter (i remember when it was called the eurofighter 90 lol) oh
yeah, i'm not american either. give me a us made jet anytime. i'll eat
my own crap when a typhoon wins over an f-22 in a neutral setup bfm
engagement.

It would be interesting for you to fill in some details about the what
and who. I've flown with RAF types on exchange duty and found them
incredibly well trained and knowledgeable. One of my earliest tactical
fighter IPs was an exchange Lightning driver who was instructing in
F-105 school. He could beat anybody in the squadron air-to-air in a
decidely non-air-to-air aircraft.

You would be hard pressed to find anyone in any service who is better
at low-level than a Buccaneer driver, and the talent and experience
carried right through to the Tornado force. For light, flex tactical
operations, the Jaguar guys are pretty impressive as well.

So, you might want to offer something to justify your strong opinion.

As for your future diet, you should be aware (based on your implied
experience) that "neutral set-up BFM" doesn't tell you squat about an
aircraft's air superiority real-world mission potential. On any given
day, a pair of similar generation tactical fighters flown by a pair of
reasonably trained and knowledgeable pilots can end a neutral setup
BFM engagement with either side winning.

I've lost a lot of neutral setup BFM engagements. I've won a few as
well. But, I've never lost a combat engagement.

You want ketchup with that lunch?


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8