On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:12:11 AM UTC-7, Ron Gleason wrote:
On Monday, 20 August 2012 23:37:12 UTC-6, Darryl Ramm wrote:

On Monday, August 20, 2012 10:05:29 PM UTC-7, Ron Gleason wrote:



On Monday, 20 August 2012 16:40:44 UTC-6, Brad Alston wrote:







Dave Nadler;821793 Wrote:















On Monday, August 20, 2012 2:09:57 PM UTC-4, Gary Osoba wrote:-















With all the drama in the 2012 WGC Open Class, here's how the various































designs compared by total average points, followed by the total number































of ships flown through the end of the contest (for calculating































statistical variance):































































11427 JS-1C (4)































11316 Concordia (1)































11240 EB-29 (2)































11089 Quintus (7)































11069 Antares 23 (1)































10339 Nimbus 4 (2)































9977 EB-28 (4)































8962 ASH-25 (1) Another damaged and withdrew































7631 ASW-22BL































































I did not include powered models as separate designs since the ships































were all in high ballast most of the contest. Obviously, designs with































only 1 or 2 gliders in the contest can vary statistically much more,































i.e. it might not be a good idea to bet against 4 or 5 Concordia's.































The Antares 23 and Quintus share the same wing, and should be very































similar in performance. Pilots in the top two designs above were































essentially learning to fly them during the contest, and that may be































true for several of the other pilot/ship combinations. I did not have































the opportunity to speak with many of the pilots.































































The numbers are for this contest only, and its conditions, flown by































the respective pilots, etc., etc. Further disclaimer- I do not have an































affiliation with any of the makers, nor have I owned a glider produced































by any of them. Just the numbers.































































An interesting design revolution is going on here. Feel free to































correct if I got anything wrong.































































Best Regards,































































Gary Osoba-















































Were all the JS-1 flown in open class the new "C"















stretch model, or were some of them "B" 18-meter ?















Score-sheet shows some B models IIRC ?































See ya, Dave































Sorry, this is a bit off topic of design...































I am not a competition pilot so my question are out of total















ignorance...please forgive. I enjoyed following the 2012 WGC online very















much.































The one thing I notice as the days progressed was that it seemed, and















totally anecdotal of course, was that pilots from the same country















finished very close to each other. Could it be that team flying















techniques are more refined outside the U.S.?...thus giving the















advantage of having at least two ships, instead of one,















finding/utilizing the best lift lines to the benefit of the team. Is















that sort of thing common practice in these sorts of contests? Do the















U.S. pilots get a chance to develop their team flying skills?































Brad.















































































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Brad Alston















The glider models designations for the JS-1's are accurate on the score sheets. Exact gliders models were listed after Leo submitted to scoring the correct designation. For open they are listed JS1-C and 18 meter are JS-1B.















Ron Gleason







Just to be clear, a JS-1C does not mean 21m, they can fly with 18m wings as well. The C is basically the stronger wing to allow the 21m option. It would be nice to use nomeclature that make the span perfectly clear, like JS-1C-18m, JS-1C-21m etc.







Darryl



look the open class score sheets, it states JS-1C 21. I entered the data myself when Leo requested the change.

Ron, great. I have no idea what I looked at that was different, maybe an old cached version in my browser?

Thanks

Darryl