On Saturday, October 6, 2012 12:09:48 AM UTC+1, waremark wrote:
On Friday, October 5, 2012 7:23:14 PM UTC+1, jfitch wrote:

On Friday, October 5, 2012 8:04:55 AM UTC-7, kirk.stant wrote:



On Friday, October 5, 2012 7:56:22 AM UTC-5, jfitch wrote:















This is also why I am concerned about it taking 9+ button pushes to change a turn point. In terms of eyes-in-the-cockpit, that is a much more serious situation, requiring maybe 30 seconds of concentrated effort - vs. 3 seconds or so for the better products.















Please explain how it takes you 9+ button pushes to change a turn point. Are you talking about making a task change inflight? That takes 8 total from map to map, to change or add a tp in a task. Or are you talking about selecting a new tp to steer to? That takes 3 actions. SYM is not the best, but it's not bad either.















Kirk







I am talking about an in-flight addition or replacement of turnpoint in a task. When I do it in SYM it takes 9 plus however much scrolling is involved in finding the turn point. Maybe there is an easier way than the ones I have figured out? MenuTask(select where or what you want to changeInsert...(scroll to turnpointhiglightSelectOkOk - 9+, isn't it? This is the worst of the programs I have actually tried in flight. A few of the buttons are small and hard to hit in turbulence, for example the ellipsis (....). Even just deleting a point is 7 buttons.







I don't think I have counted them up on XCSoar. WP is 4+ and less fiddly buttons too. iGlide is one!



I agree that the ease of doing these things is vital. SYM and WP are both very good.



Sounds like you should read the manual. It seems a very bad idea to scroll a list in flight.



Assign Menu/Task to one of your navboxes, that way it is one touch to get to the Task page. Touch the waypoint you want to change, then touch KEYB. Enter the first three letters of the new waypoint using the big keyboard, OK, OK.



One more keystroke than WP so far as I am concerned.



Or do it on the map page. Touch the map near the desired waypoint (pan if necessary) - brings up a waypoint list with the nearest at the top. Touch Goto. You are going to it (OK, that has not inserted it to the task).



How can iGlide do it in a single touch? (I lost interest in iGlide because I only knew it ran on iPhone/iPad, one too big, the other too small, and neither bright enough - what do you run it on?).

PS Further way of doing it in SYM - drag your finger on the map in the desired direction (not on the glider symbol which moves the map), brings up a list of waypoints in that direction, touch one you want and touch GOTO.

PS again - if you really want to insert an additional waypoint in the Task page, touch Task (on the Navbox to which you have assigned this action)/Tools/Insert/Ok to insert a blank waypoint, touch that waypoint in the task list and then Keyb to change the blank waypoint to one you want.

I really don't find a material change between WP and SYM (I fly with both).