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"Nicky" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote:

Actually, the folks we backed were the guys the Taliban edged out to get
power after the USSR left. That's why the US didn't have any decent
connections in Afghanistan for 20 years.

That is beacuse US didn't have any interes for Afganistan when Rusians
left. US trained them, equipted and left them. And when Talibans turned
against their former allies US decided to kick them.
When they fight against Russians they are freedom fighters and when they
fight against US they are terrorists. Yeah right :-)

Funny how you can't seem to list "a lot" of them. We helped put some
dictators in, but I really can't think of any cases where we trained

Dictators which were (are) supported by US:
Pinochet (Chile)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/...8/nsaebb8i.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/chile/stor...038615,00.html

The situation in Chile wasn't so much supporting Pinochet as opposing
Allende, and our efforts there were pretty thin. And after three years,
his own military tossed Allende out on his ear, because his government
was *worse* than the dictator he beat.

Overall, one of the worst self-inflicted losses of Communism.

Sadam (Iraq)
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.1...wk.us.iraq.htm

A quote from that piece: "America did not put Saddam in power."

Musharaf (Pakistan)

Another Soviet boy, who only started paying attention to the US after
the USSR went broke.

Gen. José Alberto Medrano (El Salvador)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Pr...News_1984.html

Supported, but only because of the Soviet and Cuban efforts. Not even
that much, on our side.

Somoza (Nicaragua)
http://home.sandiego.edu/~acase/nic.htm)

Yep, the Somoza family had been our guy for a long time, until tossed
out by (once again) a Cuban-backed group.

Are you seeing the pattern yet?

Julio Cesar Mendez Montenegro (Guatemala)
http://www.isp.nwu.edu/~fprefect/politics/timeline.html

You can see there are more then few terrorist and dictatros which were US
puppets.

....versus about a hundred that were (and are) Soviet ones. Africa alone
beats that list by a factor of ten or so, and the aftereffects of those
moves are still killing people by the thousands.

You also need to understand that giving someone support versus Communism
does not make them a "puppet," which implies that we controlled them
completely. Mostly, our efforts around the world ended up as an
advisory deal, versus the Soviet model of "do as we say."


US was (is) supporting state terrorism mainly through their
intellegence agencies.

Pretty minor, overall.

Yeah, we backed some bad folks. But the thing to remember is that the
USSR was backing *worse* ones during the same time period. We also had
a tendency to train people how to fight wars, while the USSR defaulted
to training them how to commit acts of terror.
Look at the list, and get back to us. All of the worst folks around
right now are old Soviet clients.

LOL
You are funny !
You argue whose methods were more dirty; US mehods or SSSR methods.

The USSR, by a huge amount.

The truth is tht US was/is at least as much dirty as SSSR (or vice versa).

I'm sorry, but you're out of your mind. Or have you never read any
history over the last five decades or so? Stalin killed more of his
*own* people than were killed in all of the wars from 1900 to 2004.

Especially when the USSR gives them to you and shows you how to use them.

Or Especially when US give you and helps you to produce chemical weapon and
shows You how do use it against Iranians ;-)

Except that the people who sold that gear to them were the Soviets, the
French, and the Germans. And the French even sold them a nuclear
reactor to make bombs with.

The US never sold the Iraqis chemical *or* biological weapons, nor the
gear to use it.

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