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Tempest wrote:

Let's be real here.

If we were being "real," this whole silly story would have
died about four years back.


Why is that Kerry's statements to congress in 1971 are of
critical importance

Becuase his statement, based upon what was proven to be
horsecrap (i.e, the "Winter Soldier Investigation") is a
documented fact.

but Bush AWOL

Unsubstantiated (despite repeated efforts by many to prove it);
there is a fifference between a fact and an unsubstantiated
claim.


Actually, the refutations are unsubstantiated.

Thank goodness you are not responsible for justice in this nation;
I presume your approach is "guilty until proven innocent"?

Signed progress report from his CO and a denial of transfer request
from personel headquarters. Nothing offered in refutation of these
official documents. Find me a court in this nation where that's not a
closed case.

Any of them. The progress report from the CO you refer to is nullified
by his performance of ET, much of which is documented (amazingly
enough, giventhe intervening thirty year period). That transfer
request you keep trotting out is a big ol' red herring--meaningless.
He has never claimed to have received the transfer, and the reason he
instead went the ET route is because he was not approved for the
transfer. There is NOTHING there for him to be convicted *of*, by any
courts martial board.

I personally know of several national guardsmen who were convicted of
being AWOL or desertion during the vietnam era. They should hire you as
their lawyer. Who knew that you could just walk away from your duty, not
be seen by anyone except a dentist for 12 months, and then claim it was
"ET" and all is well.

Idiot. He would not have been able to see that dentist if he was not in a
duty status. Add to that the eyewitness account of the gent who came forward
a couple of months back, *and* the fact that he received an Honorable
Discharge, and you can put that little puppy to rest. You "personally" know,
huh? Something tells me that your "personal" knowledge of things military,
much less the Guard, is a bit on the short side.


For an active duty guardsman to go on reserve duty, they need to have it
approved by personel headquarters.

What in tarnation are you talking about, "active duty Guardsman"? You think
he was a Title X FTM member? You are making it ever more clear every time
you open your trap that you don't KNOW anything about the Guard.

Bush's request was denied on the basis
of his having active duty days remaining.

"Active duty days remaining"? You are wandering further and further away
from reality here. I *think* I know what you are TRYING to get at with this
angle, but you are doing such a marvelous job of massacring the actual
situation, thus again proving you don't understand the situation, that I am
going to let you flounder on in your ignorance. But you are danged committed
to hold Bush guilty--in spite of your own OBVIOUS lack of understanding of
what you are accusing him of? LOL!

But hey - you just say "it's a
red herring" and it's all good.

Look up "equivalent training"--if you know so many Guardsmen, as you have
claimed, you should be able to get the definition rather quickly. For extra
credit, come back and tell us the difference between ET and split assembly
training. God spare us from folks like you who are so inherently ignorant of
what you are trying to condemn the man for allegedly having done, or not
done...

I mean, why would anyone need the
approval of their superiors before bailing their duty for a year?

You mean, like that guy who ET'd with our HQ for months, and then found
himself getting an OER that indicated he had been AWOL because (a) his
readiness NCO screwed the pooch in processing the paperwork we sent them,
and (b) the commander one level up never KNEW the guy was ET'ing? H'mmm...

At
least some people have tried to argue that he eventually did get transfer
approval - although there is no documentation for it. You're the first
I've heard claim that active duty guardsmen can just disapprear without
approval and it's all good.

Idiot (again). Performing ET is not "disappearing". The failure of a
squadron commander (or battalion commander for us ground type pukes) to know
how each and every one of his officers had performed such ET is not unknown,
as the case of that guy I mentioned above points out.

I love it when guys like you climb on your high horse and set forth to
pillory someone over something for which you have no grasp whatsover. You
need to go back to those "several" Guardsmen and get a bit of basic
education before you come out swinging--keep you from falling on your ass
quite as much.

Brooks