Chad Irby wrote in message .com...
In article ,
".impervious" wrote:

In om,
Chad Irby attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:

: On the other hand, the "smart" people like Clinton and Gore spent
: eight years *not* doing anything about the terror problem, yet the
: "dumb" Bush is supposed to have fixed it in eight months...

you call strategic bombing,

Blowing up empty training camps and an aspirin factory... with pretty
much zero results.

I guess you forgot about the VX traces the CIA found at the site.

doubling the overall counterterrorism budget,

...for domestic terrorism and "cyberterrorism"...

So you admit Clinton did something about domestic terrorism.

That's big of you to admit.

and tripling the counterterrorism budget specifically for the
FBI not doing anything?

...in an attempt to catch domestic terrorists like McVey... not to
mention Clarke's myopic focus on cyberterrorism for a few years.

Wrong.

Clinton specifically talked about al-Qaeda.

how about coming up with the original plan for
a Department of Homeland Security, which Bush scoffed at until 9/11?

How about it? A "plan" that was never implemented is just a piece of
paper. Much like the rest of the Clinton "efforts."

A plan which was up to the REPUBLICAN controlled Congress to act on.

They didn't.

how about capturing, trying, and convicting those responsible for the
original WTC attack in '93, even though Clinton had only been in office
for *38 days* when it happened?

Since the FBI did that, with the help of an idiot terrorist who went and
tried to get his deposit back from the rental truck company...

So Clinton doesn't get credit for capturing the 1993 WTC bombers, but
Bush gets credit for capturing the 2000 USS Cole bombers?

You rightards are way beyond hope.

...and then did *nothing* else. They didn't catch the people who
financed it, and let one of the plotters get away. To Iraq, of course
(whatever happened to "Iraq has no ties to al-Qaeda?").

I suppose you have a cite for this, right?

Didn't think so.

there was no "fixing" the terror problem.

Not the way the Clinton/Clarke folks went about it.

Then why did Rumsfeld and Cheney praise Clinton for his actions?

Answer that, dumbass.

but had he listened to those in the know, 9/11 may not have happened.
and after it DID happen, we spent about 3 minutes in Afghanistan,
where we knew some of the culprits to be,

Hey - isn't that the place Clinton fired a bunch of cruise missiles at,
and didn't accomplish anything?

Really?

According to intelligence services worldwide, Clinton prevented the
planning of terrorist attacks with his strikes.

The place where we had at least two
different chances to kill Osama bin Laden, but Clinton and Clarke
decided not to?

For logical reasons.

Like not wanting to kill innocent civilians, and not trusting the
intelligence from foreign sources.

The place where we went in and removed the Taliban, which was directly
supporting al-Qaeda, *after* Clinton left office? The place we've been
in for a couple of years now (not "three minutes")?

You mean where the Taliban are back in business, and getting stronger
through the sale of opium?

The Taliban own Afghanistan, except in Kabal.

and moved on to Iraq, which had exactly zip to do with the
attack.

Other than sheltering al-Qaeda terrorists who took part in the *first*
WTC attack.

Lie.

And other nice folks, too (like Abbas, who died in custody
recently after being captured in Iraq, where he'd been living i comfort
for years).

US intelligence believe Saddam didn't know about him being in the
country.

Bush's intelligence.

our fearless leader at one point called Osama a "non-priority,"
a quote that he'll never be able to run from.

Funny... I can't find that quote. Maybe you're confusing Bush with
Clinton again?

Naturally you can't find the quote, you're a dumbass.

And a lying dumbass at that.

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
-- 2001-09-13 GW Bush

"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
It's not that important. It's not our priority."
-- 2002-03-13 GW Bush