"monkey" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"John Weiss" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

I take it you never flew the airplane.

...and I take it you never flew an airplane.

I flew the simulator, which puts me ahead of either of you WRT how the
operator inputs work. Monkey was playing a little game and got caught,
but
I have never been one to believe pilots know how airplanes work. That
would
be silly.

Of course these days the civil side of the system is beginning to drive
out
operator ignorance. It is something that should have been done long
ago.

You know what Tarver you are a dick - first of all I'm not playing any
games with you- I am who I say I am - not one of the things I've
posted about the hornet from a pilot perspective has been incorrect
(which by the way I can't say for you) I've yet to see any proof that
you were ever involved with airplanes at all.

You mean other than the fact that I know more about the airplane than you
do. You might want to keep in mind that you have only posted as a sock and
therefore you really have no credibility to question anyone about
credentials.

Oh yeah, by the way,
I've flown all sorts of sims from the old ones to the newest - and i
haven't seen one yet that truly duplicates the experience of flying a
jet, so don't go spewing crap like that -

You probably never will find a motion based simulator that is substancially
correct to the airplane model. most sims are only third order, while the
F/A-18A-D are an 18th order system.

you'll be hard pressed to
find a fighter pilot anywhere who would say that flying a sim is no
substitute for real flying training.

The FAA, US Military and I agree that a simulator is a substitute for real
flight training. In fact I have no knowlege of anywhere that would not
require simulator time as part of training.

You're just going to **** off the
aviators out here because I don't know one who would say he completely
understands the Hornet FCS.

I would expect most Hornet operators have read the Dash 1.

But you know what, that's not our job -

Well you know what, as a systems engineer it is my job. All those
instruction on how to operate are written by engineers. If you mean to
claim that correcting safety of flight issues is not my job, well you are
just wrong again.

ours is to put bombs on target on time, and that keeps us busy enough
without having to learn about stuff we don't need to know to get the
job done.

Knowing how to input stick information into the machine is something an
F/A-18 pilot does need to know. These days pilots in the comercial world
are going through a new awareness of how they have exchanged urban legends
that are just not true.

Tarver I don't care what kind of "simulated" stuff you've
done in the sim...I'll be impressed when you strap on a real jet and
take it out on a trip..but by the amount of time you spend on the net
here I'll wager you don't get out of your cubicle enough to experience
the real world.

I have no real interest in flying an airplane, any more than I would want to
be a bus driver. The fact is that a pilot has a pretty poor quality of life
over their career. It is why they deserve the big bucks, while most of the
industry works at a discount to the rest of the world.

You need to learn that the miltary aviation business
is a team effort...in my line of work not being a team player will get
you booted faster than anything else.

I have been at it for 30 years, but do go on.

You don't see me or any other
drivers spouting insults about support personnel,

I see that constantly here at ram.

so perhaps you
should extend the same courtesy to those who operate the equipment you
(supposedly)support.

All letting you think you are correct will do is reduce flight safety, while
causing you to be even more of a prick. There is a consistent patten of
behavior amoung many operators here in the newsgroups and I had to put a
stop to operators acting out; out of respect for some of our less manic
operators.

Sorry to everyone else for the rant... I got into
this forum to enjoy discussion about our profession and share some
ideas, not to get involved in stuipd discussions with idiots who have
self esteem problems.

I don't have a problem at all, but you might want to have a look in the
mirror.