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Old October 14th 13, 07:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Del Copeland
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Default Winch Yaw/roll incidents - releasing

The few wing drops I have personally witnessed in my long
gliding career have always occurred in gusty crosswind
conditions. None of these led to accidents. Either the pilot pulled
off or managed to get the wing back up by the use of opposite
aileron and rudder. One of the problems with this scenario is
that 9 out of 10 times you will probably get away with it, but the
10th time you won't. This is one were the pilots did get away
with it.

http://flightbox.net/galleries/wingdrop/wingdrop_1.htm

N,B, the instructor in this incident tried to pull off, but at his first
attempt his gloved hand slipped round the release knob. His
second attempt was successful, but the glider had already lifted
off by then. Pulling off under full load may require a much
harder pull than normal.

Derek Copeland


At 01:15 14 October 2013, Don Johnstone wrote:
I have started a new thread on this because it is an important

subject.
I have read the article at
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...Acceleration.p

df

The first thing to understand is that the wing drop is a

symptom of a
problem that has already occurred, it is not the primary cause

of the
problem. The problem, or rather the serious consequences,

were almost
unknown prior to the introduction of powerful winches with

rapid
acceleration. With less powerful winches wing drop did occur

but this did
not result in the airborne cartwheel which occurs off a powerful

winch. The
lack of acceleration gave the pilot plenty of time to react and

release.
The assertion that the accidents are caused by slow

acceleration is
incorrect, in fact the opposite is true.

For many years I flew with the Air Cadet organisation and

accidents of this
type are almost unknown, certainly there has never been one

where there has
been death or injury. I suggest the reason for this is the strict

limits
put on the operation and the manpower available to move

gliders around at
the launch point. Air Cadet Gliding Squadrons employ staff

cadets who do
most of this work. I suggest the basic reason why there are

fewer
incidents, and the Air Cadet movement does as many winch

launches in a year
as the BGA clubs, is for the following reasons.
1. The Air Cadets operate to strict weather minima especially

crosswind
limits.
2. Gliders are always taken to cables, cables are never taken

to aircraft.
3. If you are pulling out 6 cables at a time you have to keep

them very
straight. the MVG winch has 6 drums.
4. Of all the winches I have flown the MVG winch has the

smoothest and most
rapid acceleration, typically in a 15knot wind the glider

(Grob103) would
be airborne in it's own length.

This operation reduces the factors which can contribute to yaw.

The only
incident I witnessed was caused by the pilot starting the launch

with
rudder applied anticipating yaw from a crosswind. The wing

obligingly
dropped as a result of the yaw produced. The glider was

released before the
wing struck the ground.
With early low powered Eagle winches the procedure was to

adopt a gentle
climb to a safe height before entering the full climb. The

procedure
changed following the introduction of the MVG winch which had

a very large
diesel engine (8 litres if my memory serves) driving through a

true torque
converter so that if the gentle climb scenario was carried out

or over done
the speed increased very rapidly. The recommended

procedure was to enter
the the full climb provided that the glider was above the

minimum speed and
accelerating. This was the procedure I used in the 10 years I

flew off the
MVG winch. It was never ever suggested that the elevator

should be anywhere
other than at neutral prior to the launch.
From what I have read in accident/incident reports the

accidents have all
occurred very rapidly and the acceleration is part of the

problem in that
it exacerbates the yaw/roll condition.
One of the symptoms is wing drop. In most cases aileron is

applied to try
and level the wings, in the case of the accidents this is

invariably
unsuccessful. During a winch launch we are approaching the

stall from the
"Other" direction, we are accelerating through the stalled

condition.If we
think about what we tell people not to do with a glider which

has a high
angle of attack with yaw/roll and pitch present, aka spinning

this might be
a clue. Well tell them to keep the ailerons neutral, we tell them

NOT to
try and pick up the wing with aileron.
Because the ground is so close once the yaw/roll has started

the glider is
irrecoverable and the only option is to release to lessen the

impact, not
to prevent it, it is already too late for that, but to try and

prevent the
glider from becoming airborne. Given the rapid acceleration of

modern
winches the time allowed to pull the release is very very short

and that is
the reason why my hand is always on the release ready to pull

it if at any
time there is roll over which I have no control. I cannot stress

the
importance of holding that release, it can be a lifesaver.
My feeling is that the primary culprit in these cases is yaw, I

am
convinced that the roll is a symptom of this yaw.