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Old February 20th 14, 09:04 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Chris Rollings[_2_]
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Default Does anyone use a tug tow hook that releases automatically when glider kites?

At 02:08 20 February 2014, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:36:56 PM UTC-5, Steve Leonard wrote:
Chris has hit the nail on the head with his testing and reporting. When

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t goes wrong, it goes wrong fast. Faster than you can possibly react. We
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n try all we want to teach how to not do it, but it will sometimes

happen.
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Why not come up with a system that will minimize the risk to the

towpilot?
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I think we have concluded that for now, we cannot eliminate it without
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ting other significant problems. If we are considering an automatic
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why wait to full nose up elevator and nose down 20 degrees? As Chris
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if you are there, you are probably doomed. If the nose is down 10

degrees
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(or maybe even 5?) and the elevator is half way to full up, something is
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ong. Would you agree? On tow, elevator is up, nose is up. On descent,
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tor is down, nose is down. Why not develop and test a parallel releasing
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stem that has inputs from a gyro for pitch attitude and a simple sensor
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elevator position? Test at safe altitude, as Chris and company did. I
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this is not going to prevent kiting, but if we can reduce the risk when
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happens and maybe not even add bad failure modes, it should be well

worth
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the effort. Just my thoughts. Steve Leonard

The least expensive improvement that many operations can make immediately
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s to adopt the use of longer tow ropes.The effect of pilot error is
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ally reduced by this one simple change. Many places I fly as guest use
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es that are marginally short as matter of standard practice.
We try not to use ropes shorter than 200 ft.
UH


The tests I described were done with ropes about 180 feet long, I think it
would probably need ropes of 400 feet or more to give sufficient time for
there to be even a chance of releasing in time if a kiting event started.
There are practical reasons for not using ropes that long at most sites.