On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 08:14:05 -0700, Sean Fidler wrote:

WIth due respect, where did you get these data on the oil industry
killing more birds than green energy wind turbines? Please share this
data with us so we can study it.

Oddly, enough data on ONE large spill appeared in this week's New
Scientist.

Spill: Exxon Valdez, a 40 million litre crude oil spill. That is
approximately 10 million gallons.

Damage: 2100 km of coastline contaminated. Estimated that 250,000
seabirds, 2000 sea otters, 300 harbour seals, 250 bald eagles were
killed. Fisheries were closed during the cleanup, so a big impact on
fishermen.

Source: http://www.newscientist.com/article/...on-valdez-oil-
still-a-threat-25-years-on.html

Other: Infoplease http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001451.html
lists 28 other major spills between 1967 and 2010. These are all on land
or within 10 miles of a coast, so probably have a similar effect on
wildlife, fisheries, etc to the Exxon Valdez.

The total spill is 1112 million gallons during 43 years.

OK, wildlife death toll. Lets assume the damage from these spills is half
that of Exxon Valdez per 1000 gals spilt because the Exxon Valdez spill
was at least half in an inlet while the others were mostly on more
exposed coasts. This gives a guestimated total kill that is 55.5 times
that of Exxon Valdez, so we get:

14,000,000 seabirds killed
16,500 seals killed (seals lived on most of those coasts)

There's too little data on coastline contamination to work from and most
other places don't have bald eagles or sea otters, so I've ignored these
factors.

Right: your turn, Sean. Lets see some actual numbers for wind turbine
bird kills and don't forget to quote your sources.

Please note:
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I'm not just sticking an oar in and stirring for the sake of stirring.

I've also heard comments about birds being killed by wind turbines but,
with the exception of the video posted earlier on this thread, I've not
seen any hard, evidence with attributed data sources to back up the
assertions about bird kill. I'd like to see some, especially because the
UK might have more turbines per head of population than you guys have. I
can't go flying from GRL without seeing at least two wind farms.


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