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Old June 15th 14, 10:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Bill D
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Default Fatal crash Arizona

On Monday, May 26, 2014 12:44:41 AM UTC-6, Chris Rollings wrote:
At 16:00 25 May 2014, Bob Whelan wrote:

On 5/24/2014 8:21 AM, John L Fleming wrote:


son_of_flubber;883103 Wrote:


On Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:27:10 AM UTC-4, Waveguru wrote:-


Premature termination of the tow at 100ft. Did not complete the turn


back to the runway. -




My sympathy to everyone touched by this tragedy.




Turning 180 back to the runway from only 100 feet AGL is unusual. I


wonder why he did that.




I've been watching this thread from day one. I'm back here in New York


and was a friend of Bob and am puzzled by the turn as he always had his


ducks all in a row. I'm too am a glider pilot and I find it hard to


believe he made a steep bank at 100 feet. Bob had accumulated 1000's


of

hours in both fighters and the two single engine aircraft he owned.


MAYBE, there was something wrong with the Zuni and he released because


he couldn't control it?????? For instance........aileron linkage


failure. I would be interested in others thoughts on this. John




My condolences for the loss of your friend. I hadn't been in aviation but


two


or three years before personal aviation acquaintances and friends began


dying


in aviation-related accidents. All I could do was mourn their passing,


try

and


extract lessons for myself (if any), rationalize that they died doing


something they loved, and take some decision(s) for my own future.




Many glider pilots often roll their eyes at "the obviousness" of NTSB


probable


cause conclusions (e.g. pilot failed to maintain sufficient speed), but


one



thing I think NTSB investigators are quite adept at is establishing


control



connection continuity, particularly in the aftermath of low-speed


accidents

as


this (where wreckage is minimally disturbed from effects of the crash


itself),


so probably the best answer to your puzzlement can be expected to come


from



the final NTSB report on this crash.




Bob W.






Some years ago I witnessed a fatal spin-in following a launch failure. It

was a winch launch, the cable broke at about 150 feet agl. There was

plenty of room to land ahead on the airfield but the glider started a turn

to the left, flying obviously rather slowly. It completed about two thirds

of a 360 degree turn and then spun, went down into some trees a few yards

from the airfield boundary on ground about 20 feet lower than the airfield.

I was one of those that extracted the badly injured pilot from the

wreckage (he died in the ambulance before it left the airfield).



In the UK it is almost universal practice to set QFE not QNH on glider

altimeters (most gliding sites are less than 1,000 feet amsl), I noticed

that the altimeter in the wrecked glider was reading about plus 260 feet.

Later investigation showed that the millibar sub-scale setting was

consistent with the pressure on the previous day on which the glider had

flown. It seemed highly likely to me that the pilot had omitted to reset

the altimeter before take-off and, when the launch failed, saw over 400

feet on the altimeter and reacted to that.


It sounds like this pilot lacked even basic airmanship skills. Quibbling over altimeter settings and low turns is beside the point. The real question is why he was allowed to fly at all.