On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:39:19 PM UTC-7, Sean Fidler wrote:
Evan,



Agreed and good points!



I think everybody means well here, but it would be nice to have a bit more balance. Also, from the other thread..."what is it that glider pilots are being measured on" is a huge discussion point.



Some want the "freedom" of wide turn area's, weather guessing, time variance and what I call "uncontrolled variables (luck)" to be the dominant feature of the sport while others what more controlled variables (grand prix or shorter window starts and AT's). Personally I think wide area TAT's are to close to OLC (especially with free start times). I think contests (competition) should be more objective that they are today.



OLC "contests" are great for free flight distance competition!



Remember, all I am asking for here is more balance. Many are arguing for more TAT's and less AT's which would entirely eliminate AT's from the sport in the USA.



50/25/25 for example. Right now we are doing roughly 70/27/3.



Sean



On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:40:47 PM UTC-4, Evan Ludeman wrote:

Sean, the "no turn MATs" you refer to at Sports Nats 2013 (Mifflin) were actually MATs with restrictions that the score sheet isn't equipped to display. For example, day one, a four hour minimum time and the following restrictions.







1. First turn must be one of the following three (Orbisonia, McConnelsburg, Dicke's Mtn).







2. No turnpoint may be used more than once.







Memorably, this was announced 15 minutes before first launch, on a ridge day.







It did seem unnecessarily "gamey", especially for the new-to-site guys (day 1, after a rained out practice period). I'm sure it sounded fun in the task advisors' meeting and I had a blast with it myself.







However, a *fairer* task would have been a long MAT or AT constructed along the lines of the tasks that the fast guys flew.







AT, long MAT (with 2-3 longish legs to start please), or AAT (5 & 10 mi circles please) are all good tasks. Less restricted MATs and larger circle AATs get days in when the wx is problematic and better avoid mass landouts. My chief competition aggravation is that we get so consumed with ripping marginal tasks from crappy wx that we can't seem to get out of timid-mode when the wx finally gets good.







Evan Ludeman / T8

Grubs again Grumble Grumble! 3 more TATs called at the Worlds in Lezno that is 12 of 12 100%. They do call them AATs.

Richard