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Old May 26th 04, 04:50 AM
Denyav
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Well then it's just like I said. Exactly who with what system is
going to be a threat to US stealth aircraft anytime in the near
future? Besides that, having an airborne TRANSMITTER is just begging
to be shot down.


Not countries like Iraq,Afghanistan,Panama,Somalia,I guess.

Having one airborne ,space or ground based transmitter is one thing having
thousands of them another.

What are you smoking?

You seem pretty clueless,a clue for you this is a space and ground based system


We're talking about stealth aircraft here. Say you somehow detect a
stealth aircraft at 600 miles and you have a SAM that can hit a target
at 150 miles. 1. You're going to have to hide those big-ass missiles
somewhere they can't be destroyed. Good luck.


You know where they but you can not kill them easily,as I said HARM is too
short legged,cruise misilles and other long range weapons have only little
penetration chance.

Active
guidance with a MMVR will never work so forget it. You obviously
don't know how the two work. 3. High frequency radar of ANY type
doesn't work against stealth unless


If you can bring your fathers backscatterers close enough to ANY stealth
platform they will detect it.period.

Some will detect it at 0,6 m some others at 10 m but they will detect lt.

And I'd trade them all day. A next generation HARM against a next
generation S-400+? That's like saying "I'm going to defeat all of
your Maverick missiles by putting tanks in front of my bunkers"


If you think next generation HARM will be cheaper than next generation SAM,you
are simply wrong.
(BTW I think there wont be any next generation SAM)

Yeah. I'd disturb it with a HARM.


Good Luck then,you will need it

ou obviously don't have a clue what happened there. Why don't you
tell how you *think* it happened. My guess is you've got some things
confused.

I think I know what happened,if stealth fleet continued to fly like stealth
aircraft supposed to fly ,US would probably lose whole stealth fleet in
Balkans.
Two back to back hits were enough change tactics and make them to fly like
F14s,15s,16s ,Mirages,Tornados.
After changes,their vulnerability reduced to the F14,15,16,Mirage,Tornado
levels.

But flip side,that was starting point of Jammer Crisis.

rWell you want to hit the thing don't you? You want to hit the
aircraft before it can hit you back don't you? Doesn't do you much
good if your SAM only flies twenty miles but the airplane can hit you
from a hundred.


Sure,In order to take advantage multistatic tracking and detection systems long
range
SAMs are a must.
Shorter range SAMs might be used aganist next generation stealthy long range
HARMs or cruise misilles though.

The more likely it is to hit you.


I dont thing that any aircraft ,stealthy or not,would like idea of hitting a
missile !.If you wanted to come up with an anti stealth system a good way to
do


it would be to have a MSVR that actually WORKS. Proven, in service,
non vaporware and you have more than one. You use that to collect
your x,y,z positions of stealth aircraft. Using cellular, radio, or
freakin' internet, communicate those positions to *mobile* LPI
transmitters that talk to your SAMS. For missiles use something like
an ESSM with an AIM-9X seeker that can do LOAL. Stick two or four of
them per truck-mounted launcher. The idea being to have the two or
four missiles and a truck be CHEAP. I don't mean stick them on a
forty year old rust bucket rescued from the scrap heap but then again
I'm not talking about one of those big eight-wheeled vehicles either.
So you deploy you launchers God only knows where but make sure you
have adequate coverage. They pull up to their site and hook up to the
internet. All the truck gets is "launch missile, tell it to go to
x,y,z". After that the nearest LPI transmitter takes over and the
missile launcher is back on the road. It updates the now in-flight
missile intermittently and stays off the air the majority of the time
LPI or not. As the missile gets closer to the target it gets more
frequent updates. Once the IIR seeker has locked on to it's target
the LPI transmitter forgets about it. Numerous missiles on cheap
trucks, hard to detect transmitters, and a distributed comm network.
All spread out, realtively cheap, with no one unit worth a Tomahawk
and mobile to boot. The only vurnerable spot would be the decision
maker which would likely be the first thing hit.


Actualy GPS is an excellent multistatic radar emitter,specially for the space
based receivers.