On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 1:21:43 PM UTC-4, kirk.stant wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 10:44:00 AM UTC-5, Charlie M. (UH & 002

I think you meant, "With no altimeter reference", not "Ground reference".

By "Ground Reference" I meant using a known feature on the ground to initiate actions in the pattern: IP at the lake, turn downwind over the farm, base over the gas station, etc. The airfield/landing zone is the only "ground reference" that should be used.

Agree, once the pattern is started, what's the point of looking at the altimeter?

Kirk

Ahhhhh..... Gotcha. Correct I don't use/didn't teach using fixed ground references, the angle was all it took.
Thus if you started early in the pattern (and you used angles), you should be further away "if it looks OK".
If you started low (and you used angles), you should be closer "if it looks OK".

Farmer Browns field does not have the lake/tree/parking lot/etc. your home field does, so the angles work there as well.

We're in agreement. ;-)