"Tom Cooper" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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Eh? You think there is some kind of rule that says, "OK, if the PRC gets
in
the first blow, the USAF is NOT allowed to take the fight "downtown"
back
in
the PRC--no B-2 strikes against C4I targets, no cruise missile strikes
against airfields and IADS..."? Strange idea of modern combat you have
there...
Of course: I said so at least 400 times so far on this NG. Haven't you
read
any of my previous posts indicating this before?
Strange as it may seem, many of us do not hang upon your every word--I can
only go off what you say *now*, and that was, to quote: "...the first blow
in such a scenario would obviously be delivered by the Chinese; and in that
case the USAF would not be in offensive, but on defensive right from the
start..."
You have yet to conclusively show where "hundreds of Flankers and AWACS"
will be a problem in the forseeable future--heck, the PRC is still
awaiting
delivery of their first fully functional AWACS (the US having quashed
the
Israeli plans to sell them Phalcon a few years ago).
Kevin, after posting the current OrBat of the PLAAF/PLANAF Flanker-units,
it
is definitely obvious that I'm completely clueless about this topic.
Considering that your numbers, not to mention your conclusions, contradict
what many other sources indicate, including the latest DoD report, which
indicates that the PLAAF *might* be capable of taking on a joint USAF/ROCAF
force sometime after 2010: "The PLAAF's primary strength remains its
size--approximately 3,000 combat-capable aircraft. Also, the PLAAF and
PLANAF are undergoing significant upgrades, whichinclude acquiring
fourth-generation aircraft, air defense systems, advanced munitions, and
C4ISR equipment. These upgrades eventually will improve the PLAAF's
capability to conduct both offensive and defensive operations. In addition,
air combat tactics continue to evolve, and training is becoming more
advanced, though both remain behind Western standards. By 2010-15, the PLAAF
will have made additional progress toward becoming a modern air force and
will be equipped with modern weapons that most likelywill enable the PLA to
execute the regional combat operations its current military doctrine
envisions."
That is a far cry from what you have been braying about, and it would be
hard to point to the DoD's accessment as being overly optimistic--this is
after all one of the foundation documents trotted out when budgeting comes
to the table.
So, I must wonder: how do you actually come to the idea to ask me for any
kind of "conclusive" evidence to this topic?
Because you have a habit of tossing out unspupported "facts" that do not
jive with other available sources.
I mean, seriously: you have posted all the possible sources - and plenty
of
them - indicating something completely different. So, who am I to tell you
anything else?
An idiot, perhaps? But then again, you remain firmly convinced your version
of reality is quite different from that portrayed by folks like the DoD,
right?
Al has brilliantly explained it: I'm not qualified. So, don't bother to
ask.
Apparently he hit the nail on the head in this case--anyone claiming that
the PLAAF would field 300 J-10/FC-1 aircraft over the next 12 to 18 months,
as you have, is obviously a bit lacking in qualifications, namely common
sense.
Yeah, go simplistic...*that's* gonna really make your point! The fact is
that the ROCAF is going to be fighting the PLAAF at the same time and in
the
same area that this postulated US response would be occuring in--sorry
you
can't seem to grasp that little fact.
Agreed: I'm a stupid. Must be the reason I still wonder how haven't you
seen
this coming?
I am guessing english is not your first language-- that last question makes
no sense whatsoever.
Your numbers vary quite widely from those reported in other sources:
Yes. The reason is simple: they are right and I am wrong - because I'm
anti-US and not qualified.
From what I have seen thus far, only the latter really applies here.
There is a similar problem here like in the case of the F-22: what is
reported is long since not current. The plane has obviously flown
earlier
(perhaps only "few months" earlier than reported, but nevertheless),
then
it
was not only flown by Pakistani pilots already in 2003 (reports in the
specialized press indicate it was flown by the Pakistanis for the
first
time
only in April this year), but also by Iranians (in October last year).
Provide proof.
See above: wouldn't you agree it's pretty silly to ask somebody anti-US -
like me - even for the way to the next shopping mal?
So, another unsupported "fact" you have trotted out--figures. Your
dedication to the practice of snipping all of that stuff you don't like from
the conversation, even though it is still the subject of debate, is another
little trait of your's that gets a bit tiresome, though since you have a
demonstrable tendency of denying your own previous statements it is probably
understandable--why make it easy for your opponent to zing those direct
quotes back at you, eh?
And you ask me for proofs for what I'm talking about? Ts, ts, ts....
It's namely impossible that there could be anybody who is not dependent on
Jane's and similar institutions: all the people that do not copy-paste
from
them but research on their own are simply lying and phantasising - and
anti-US (that's most important here), not qualified, and twisting
electrons.
Ask Alistair and Al: they can confirm it if you still don't believe.
Consequently, you can't ask me any such questions any more. 
Actually, you seem to fit quite well into the mold of "New Journalism"--the
facts be damned, your personal views and "hidden sources" are paramount. You
might want to drop a resume off at the New York Times--they have
demonstrated a recent propensity to like journalists with that kind of
philosophy.
Brooks
Heh, but I'll proudly add these nick-names as attributes to the existing
list (excerpt see bellow), some even on the first place. :8
Cheers,
Tom Cooper
Freelance Aviation Journalist & Historian
Unqualified Imperialist Text-writter, Communist Dog,
anti-US/Israel/Moslems/Arabs..., Russo-fob, (etc., etc.: list available on
demand)
Vienna, Austria
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Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
Iranian F-14 Tomcat Units in Combat
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...hp/title=S7875
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...hp/title=S6585
African MiGs
http://www.acig.org/afmig/
Arab MiG-19 & MiG-21 Units in Combat
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...=S6550~ser=COM
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