At 00:54 01 February 2016, jfitch wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 8:59:23 AM UTC-8,
wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-6, smfidler wrote:
The problem is that the USA uses proprietary scoring software (and
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rietary tasks and scoring rules which requires it). =20
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The scoring system for this new task has been handed to us on a
silver
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platter. But again, becuase here in the US we have are own unique
EVERYTHI=
NG, we can't use this great new task easily.
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It's fascinating to watch how many of us, here in the USA, can't see
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e forest for the trees...
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We simply need to stop trying to be different and join the rest of
the
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planet in common soaring rules (and scoring software).
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Problem solved! Oh if I could see the grinding teeth and clinched
fist=
s all over the land...
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But back to US clubs and clubs having fun independently of silly,
propr=
ietary, US rules and US scoring software. =20
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Drum roll............................................
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Simply use SeeYou! =20
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Ta-da! Close curtain!
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Morning tasking chores-
A) Call the task
B) Everyone gets various handicap radiuses to "level" the task!
(Anoth=
er thought is a second later of calculation based on pilot experience...)
C) Go race and have fun! =20
D) Drop the traces into SeeYou and BOOM, see who won! =20
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A1) Or better yet, start together on a starting line (Grand Prix
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and he/she who returns first is the big winner! Second home, second
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....and so on. No need for scoring at all! Just go to the pub and buy
he
w=
inner a well deserved pint!
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All this fun even while racing (set course) gliders of various
handicap=
s (99% of us!). =20
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This would be a fantastic SSA task for regionals. It really makes a
lo=
t of sense (custom, relative assigned) and really gives everyone a fair
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nce of truly competing level against each other (vs wide area tasks) and
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ving fun. It is also very simple, easy to build and easy to manage.
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, congrats to the developers of this innovative task! I am going to try
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in the spring with my gang in MI.
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Sean Fidler
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At the Chicago Glider Club we started an internal discussion how this
tas=
k idea can be used for our NISC (Northern IL Soaring Contest). Since we
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ow anyone from 4 local clubs to participate on any given day during the
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son, I see some problems with Jim White's ideas:
- A computer-generated task sheet has to be produced for each handicap
le=
vel after a set of turnpoints has been selected (not possible for
different=
launch sites on the same day). Even at our club, we would have to do
some
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computer prep work, the task cannot easily be changed later on (i.e. in
the=
air)
- Loggers that allow for a task load have to be used, some here use
non-c=
ertified hand-held loggers.
- Pilots have to properly declare their specific tasks in their
loggers.
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That takes familiarity and experience that some pilots don't have and
don'=
t want to acquire.
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The basic idea is quite convincing and should be tested in the US
environ=
ment. I like the concept of flying to narrowly defined turnpoints and the
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act that it is not a min. time task. We do already limit start height
(4,50=
0') and start and finish radii.
Question to Jim White: do you allow for water ballast and how do you
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unt for those flying ballasted in the final score.
Herb

Herb, I believe Jim's scheme appends the task into the IGC file post
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and is only used for scoring in SeeYou. So non approved loggers and non
pr=
e-declared tasks would not be a problem. Perhaps Jim can clarify.


Absolutely. The software puts the task into the IGC file using SeeYou
syntax. SeeYou Competition has a 'use task from file' check box which when
ticked makes it score the embedded task rather than the generic assigned
task.

Neither my software nor See You cares where the evidence comes from as long
as it is in IGC format.

Jim