Kn I make every attempt to end this thread as Dale and others have seen, but you perpetuate the argument. As for creating straw men, you fail to get the basic point. This happens daily here at this site where those with little experience and hardly any dog-in-the-fight speal ad nausium . Hold to your viewpount, I will continue to hold to mine with my eyes outside the cockpit and my poltical foresight attuned to anything which infringes on flight liberty. Move to EU and enjoy their system.