At 13:03 03 October 2016, Tango Whisky wrote:
Le dimanche 2 octobre 2016 20:57:45 UTC+2, Jonathan St. Cloud
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In the eighty's or nineties there was an article in "Soaring" by
an U.S.
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Army Apache trainee, who noticed he could see raising thermal
through his
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onocle. Not sure which sensor array was picking that up, but I
thought it
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was the FLIR.
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On Sunday, October 2, 2016 at 11:04:32 AM UTC-7, David
Hirst wrote:
On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 4:04:39 AM UTC+13,
Jonathan St. Cloud
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te:
A FLIR unit might offer a visual indication from much larger
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A few moons ago, I got chatting to a guy selling FLIR imaging
systems
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t a trade show. I asked him about the problem of trying to see
thermals,
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o we set an imager up to look at the hot air rising from a nearby
vent and
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saw nothing (as he expected). =20
There's no problem seeing warm solid objects, since they
consist of a
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ot of closely-packed warm emitters - high spatial density - but
warm gas
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so much more diffuse that any infrared 'brightness' just fades
into the
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ckground, like a small amount of dye in a large volume of liquid.
To do
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fective background subtraction, you need to know what the
background is to
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begin with and on a typical thermal day this is the average
temperature of
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the air which has high spatial variability.
I think birds can see all those rising insects, which makes the
birds
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he best thermal indicators, if they can be bothered to fly where we
want
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em to.
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DH
TX

You cannot detect hot air from a distance by any infrared detector
(and
FLI=
R is infrared imaging). Obviously, your sales guy wasn't up to
speed with
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hysics.

Hot air emits infrard radiation. However, as emission and
absorption
coeffi=
cients are the same thing, the air inbetween the thermal and your
FLIR
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absorb all of this radiation, and you won't see anything on your
imager.
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hat's how physics works. The stories about people having seen
infrared
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es of thermals are just urband legends.

Bert (who has been developing infrared sensors and systems for
more than
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years)
In the early 70's Wally Scott was flying a OD Green 1-34 ? for MIT
and they were trying to see dust particles in thermals in west texas.
with todays tech. it may be possible.any body else remember this.