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Old July 1st 04, 05:35 PM
Denyav
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This should be good, the attempt to imply I am paid to spend so
much time laughing will no doubt continue.


Surely you are not paid to protect official position.

Translation Denyav needs to pretend he has people agreeing with
him even when they do not. Churchill, Stimson and Hoover for a start,
Dulles without any attempt to


They do not agree with me,but I do agree with what they say.Thats a small but
important difference.

provide the evidence. "countless" is
defined as Denyav counting himself multiple time, 1, 2 3, many.


I quoted them several times in my posts too but according to you they were
"irrelevant"
How soon you forgat that.


Translation Denyav will continue to try and smear, using his ideas of
insults of course. He has announced he is not paid to push his jokes,
which is not surprising, those who know the truth would not pay to push


Apparently many sharing these ideas,people know that what their officials are
telling them is not always the truth.


Yes folks, if the evidence does not fit ignore it.


The evidences that you find find "irrelevant" could easily qualify for the
above.

Simply I never said that, another claim without proof.


I guess you do not even read your own posts.

Denyav is having trouble coping with the idea the work on the A code
stopped after it went out of service while work picked up on the B code.


An other way of backpedalling or accepting code recovery work has never been
stopped.BTW hiding behind terms is a pretty common way.

By the way folks Denyav is going to keep announcing he has no
idea about the code, changing recoveries of random numbers
into recovery of the meanings of code groups. The allies knew
around 5,000 random numbers from the 5 additive book, which


Lots of detractors included to this part of message so obviously there is
something to hide here.

Lets summarize your own position:
1)You said that codes are something like a special language.I agree.
2)You said the recovering of the codes is something like learning a
language,slow and time consuming.Agreed.
3)Now you are trying to defend your not defendable position by hiding an
alphabet soup.
4)If we continue to use language analogy:JN25A and B are not different
languages they are different dialects of the same language.But you are trying
to sell them as as if they were different languages
5)Lets continue to use language analogy:
How many words are there in any language,for example English?
How many words do you use everday?
Very small percentage I guess.
That was exactly the point of Safford when he asserted that 7000 codes were
enough to read almost all JN25B coded messages,even though JN25B had almost
55000 codes.
Now you are trying to use alphabet as detractor and trying to hide the fact
that US had just before PH had 10000 JN25B codes in the hand,which was
,according to Safford,much more than he needed to read the most of JN25B
dispatces !.
6)Now Midway,its enlightening to see that the custodians of official version
are actually challenging the official version to defend their hard to defend
positions.
On many issues the officials and historians disagree,but Midway is not one of
them,there is a consensus among historians that the outcome of Midway is the
product the superior intelligence.
So According to your assertions US intellingence that was unable to recover
enough codes in 12 months prior to Pearl Harbor to read Japanase messages but
After Pearl Harbor US intelligence managed to achive within a few months what
it could not do in one year before PH!.
How did they do that? Maybe now famous outer space aliens helped them to
recover codes after PH?.

By the way people will be happy to know the quote assigned
to Safford (about the number of code groups needed) was
written by someone else, and appears to be related to a
situation in 1943 where units were sending very standardised
messages. Hard to tell exactly given how badly the quote is


Yeah right,His words are irrelevant too.

When did the IJN attack US territory again after 1942?
Where did the new IJN carriers come from?


Replace IJN with OBL,japanese pilots with Atta&Co,replace Japanese planes with
Boeings.

Thanks for admitting the conspiracy people do not match the evidence.

Thanks for admitting the official people do indeed produce the evidence.

h yes, Leib waited until after Hull was dead before telling the
world of his claims. Does this make Hull a conspirator? If so
a stupid one by letting the claimed secret out?


It was no secret that Hull was not very fond of FDR-Stimson-Marshall trios'
plans and also it was very well known that Leib was a close friend of Hull.
The Motive of leakage to Leib was probably to warn Japanase but who knows?