On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 10:21:40 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Indeed!Â* The comfort is in the pack, not the canopy.Â* I made no
negative statements about round canopies in my original response,
which I've repeated below:



"I'm very happy with my P-124:Â*
http://www.rigginginnovations.com/pa...s/aviator.aspx



I have a 280 sq. ft. ram air rectangular chute which provides a lot
of control and a very soft landing."



With the continuous bombardment of false claims we're subjected to,
I couldn't let pass the false statement about an 800' opening
requirement and an unnamed source of the information as fact.Â* Sorry
about the thread drift but, in doing my research, I've found that
I'm not only happy with the comfort of my pack, but also with the
performance potential of the canopy (a different topic, I know).



Dan




On 6/9/2017 7:53 PM, JS wrote:



On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 6:39:04 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:


Here's a video
of an Aviator P-124 being jumped at a height of 85 meters (276
ft) and 80 knots.Â* Opening time was 2.1 seconds.Â* I had to review
closely to verify that the chute was equipped with a slider.Â* Note
that the jumper had a 25 second ride after full deployment.




On 6/9/2017 10:40 AM, Frank Whiteley
wrote:



On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 9:20:43 AM UTC-6, Duster wrote:


Mine's a Strong 303 (26' conical; back). Comfy with sheepskin. Here's a video of a model 304 (26" conical; chair) in action with the same canopy I believe. 2011 bailout from a disabled Mustang. Legend states bailout was less than 500', but with what seems a delay in pilot-chute deployment yields a very quick, low-altitude loss safe. Make your own calculations. Isn't the speed and direction of travel at deployment key factors (e.g., Jumping from vertical @ 0 mph results in greater alt loss than at 45 degrees @ 100 mph)?

https://youtu.be/ygcaalz6IRA

Mike


The old Irvin EB80 was reckoned to be life saving from 100ft with 100kts horizontal speed. There was a VTC Open Cirrus that fluttered apart on a high speed pass in the UK many years ago and the pilot bailed and survived with one. I tried to buy one new but there was a 6 months waiting list, so settled for a very comfortable GQ Silhouette which was lifed at 15 years;^(. Replaced it with a Butler, which is fine.

Frank Whiteley





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Dan, 5J


I must appologise for bringing up square chutes, as the thread has gone off the tracks as usual. This was supposed to be about comfort. They are not mutually exclusive, but separate considerations.
Jim





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Dan, 5J

Not wanting to derail this thread any further (if that is even possible) but realistically, how difficult is it to use a ram-air chute vs. a round canopy? I have only three static line jumps under a military style Pioneer L-10 and the landings were - shall we say - harsh and firm!
My current shut is nearing its service life and I am looking for options.

Uli
'AS'