Cindy thank you so much for that post. I think its a wonderfull historical study of real life incidents and applications of rules or no rules or common sense decision making from the CM side of life. The perfect post to probably respectfully shut down this thread and start a new one regarding contest rules modification or join in on the hard deck thread.

I want to thank all of the participants on this thread, ones I agree with and also those that have very different viewpoints. It is good to chew over these issues with civility even on matters as emotionally charges as these topics. That is not always found on r.a.s. It goes to show the intellectual maturity of those posting to this particular thread.

No matter which general perspective you take on this topic: the need for more rules, or the needed change in pilot mindset superseding rules, the very fact that this issue of safety is on the minds of the participating posters means they probably are not going to be the subject of this dicussion in the near future God and common sense willing. You all are thinking safety, thinking consequences, and thinking personal boundaries. That, in my opinion, is where true safety needs to begin.
Dan