On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:34:51 +1000, "Scott Hillard"
wrote:


"matt weber" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:01:22 +1000, "Scott Hillard"
wrote:

And the F-15, which we should have bought 20 years ago, beats both.

Probably not. A recent exercise against current East Block fighters
revealed two very disturbing issues.

Ah, a military exercise.

All sorts of things happen in "exercises" - clanky leaky subs sink yank
carriers, hopolites with slignshots take out M1 tanks.....

Worked out how many F-15s were in the skies on 09/11 yet, Matt?

The F15 has an absolutely
enormous Radar Cross Section, several times an F18 or F16 RCS in fact,

Which is pretty much irrelevant in the modern world - all that matters is
stealth (F117, B2, F22, JSF), or no stealth.
I disagree. The F16 radar can see another F16 with about a 75%
probability at 30nm. It can see an F15 with near 100% probability at
50 nm. The less time the other guy has to react, the better your
chances of long term survival. If you give the other guy days to
respond, as the Serbs demonstrated, even a Stealth Aircraft can be
brought down
100 also turns
out to have an equally ovesized IR signature.

Which didn't appear to be much of a disadvantage for the Israelis when
killing Syrians, the Saudis when killing Iraqis, the yanks when killing
Iraqis.....
I believe it was F4's that took out the Syrians over the Beka Valley,
but only AFTER the Israeli's had used UAV's to locate, and then
disable/destroy all of the Ground based Air Defense assets.