ArtKramr wrote:

In 1937, with career Army Air Corps crews, over Arizona with little wind it
worked great! In 1943 with crews that had been in service 18 months, over
Germany with flak and fighters...not so well.

How the hell would you know?

Books, ever heard of them? Oh, I'm sorry that's right, you don't read books
about WW II because you subscribe to the "if you weren't there, you don't know
****" theory. The problem with your theory is that nearly all of the books I've
read have been written from first hand accounts of people who were there.

Except a two mile long train of B-17s looks like donuts rolling off the
production line to an Me-109 pilot.


We never flew in "long trains".

I never said you did you ignorant old goof!

What rinky dink air force were you in?

The one from the United States. The one that has come to dominate enemies like
the Air Force of your generation could only dream of.

Too bad you never fought in a real war.

Well, I'm in good company. Kramer's "real wars" exclude everyone outside of the
World War II ETO from 1943-45. North Africa? Not real. Med? Not real. Pacific?
Please...not real. Korea? Not real. Vietnam? Not real. Desert Storm and all the
conflicts since then? Not real. In fact, I'm willing to bet the proud group of
"Kramer's not real warriors" will never stop growing.

I guess once you hit 80+ years of age its too hard to be self retrospective? If
I said half the things Kramer has I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the
mirror to shave.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"