"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message ...
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The Eurofighter Typhoon will give the Saudi Armed Forces the
capability maintain air superiority over any country in the Middle
East including Israel.
so what?
Israel has the best pilots and crews in the Middle East, but the
Eurofighter Typhoon is such a superior aircraft with INCREDIBLE BVR
capability superior to any aircraft in the Middle East that even
though Saudis are lazy and spoiled, the Eurofighter Typhoon will give
the Saudis the best Airforce in the Middle East. The only way Israel
can gain back Air Superiority over Saudi Arabia would be if Israel
were to buy tons of F-22 Raptors.
wutever
Saudi Arabia has a much bigger GDP than Israel and has Trillions of
dollars of Oil Reserves so there's no way Israel can on its own
compete with a country like Saudi Arabia in an arms race.
& saudis bemoan poor palistanians while their arab whole is giving
only 5%.. ;L
The only way Israel can gain back air superiority is if US taxpayers
will again have to pay BILLIONS of dollars like they always do for
Israel, this time for Israel to get FREE F-22 Raptors from the US
Taxpayers.
it may be interesting to test this eurofighter against arrows..
Arrows are ABMs not SAMs. They are designed to take a Balistic Missile out
at Apogee so nothing hits Israel. They are very effective at doing that,
100 percent of the tests with real Balistic Missiles to be interecepted were
succesfully hit by the system at the warhead not the main body as the
Patriorts did. The Patriot was orginally designed to take out high flying
aircraft not missiles. That is why the body of the rocket stage is what got
hit by it every time and the warhead then still fell to earth intact about
1/2 the time. The US lost most of the first Gulf War Casualties to a "shot
down" SKUD's warhead that hit a building housing a lot of miltiary personel.
The Arrow uses a different system of firing a group of shaped charges at the
warhead secton of the missile and body both. The real ideal is to force the
warhead itself to explode due to the charges going off on it. Hardly cost
effective to shoot down a plane. Israel has several other means of taking
out incoming aircraft. It has 12 Patriot Batteries, 1000s of SAMs on the
ready and then their air to air capabilities and own air to air misiles and
guns. They never faced even odds 1 to 1 and no matter what aircraft the
enemy flew they shot them all down and lost very few of their planes to it.
I pitty any Arab pilot shot down those at home confront, he better speak the
words I surrender in perfect Hebrew or he is dead. They common Israeli does
not speak the symetic variation called Arabic. It is not their
responsibility to know for sure the intention of an enemy that comes down in
a parachute in their back yard. Their real responsibility is to shoot first
if not Isreali and ask later.
In joint flight manuvers the Israeli Pilots in the Israeli built jets went
up against US pilots in F116s and though supposedly up against the best of
the best they had a "kill" ratio of 5 to 1. For every simulated hit on them
they had simulated a hit of five US top pilots flying the most sophisticated
fighter made in the world at the time. Arab Air forces run from IAF pilots
or they die, that is always been the only choices they had and still will
have even 20 years from now.
Look, it's obvious that Israeli pilots are the best in the middle east
and perhaps the best in the world, but they're NOT as good as you
think they are either.
I'll give you some examples of why they're not as good as you think
they are.
In the Yom Kippur War even Syria shot down AT LEAST 36 Israeli Air
Force aircraft in a SINGLE DAY.
There were 23 SA-6 Sam Batteries in Syria before the start of the Yom
Kippur War, and at the END OF THE YOM KIPPUR WAR, the Israeli Air
Force was only able to take out 3 of those 23 SA-6 batteries at a
great loss of Israeli Aircraft.
The IDF GROUND FORCES did take out a few more of those SA-6 batteries,
but the Israeli Air Force certainly was NOT up to the challenge of
taking on the SA-6 during the Yom Kippur War.
Here's another example, I've read on several different military sites
that there were a dozen or more Pakistani Air Force Pilots who went
over to arab countries during the 6 Day War and the Yom Kippur War to
see how well they could do against the Isreli Air Force since they had
already racked up great kill ratios against the Indians.
They wanted to see "how good they really were" as it were against a
great air force like the Israelis.
They claim that these Pakistanis shot down at least 10 Israeli air
craft in the 6 day war and at least 1 Israeli aircraft in the Yom
Kippur war without the Israeli Air Force even shooting down 1 of these
Pakistani pilots.
It's NOT just the Pakistanis who claim this, even this Indian Air
Force historian guy who made this Indian Air Force website claims
that.
http://jaganpvs.tripod.com/pakpilots.htm
Here's the homepage of this Indian site.
http://jaganpvs.tripod.com/
This website from New Zealand claims that Pakistani pilots shot down
10 Israeli aircraft in the 6 day war, and at least 1 Israeli aircraft
in the Yom Kippur War.
http://www.scramble.nl/pk.htm
Here's the homepage of this site from New Zealand.
http://www.scramble.nl/
I also did do a google search to find out what kind of kill ratios
Soviet Pilots had against the Israelis when Soviet pilots flew for
Arab Air Forces, but I didn't find anything.
BTW, as even if Israeli pilots are the best in the world, they still
can't be in the same league as the Americans or Europeans because of
the number of and the quality of equipment that the Europeans and
Americans have.
I'd even have to put the Spanish Air Force above the Israeli Air Force
when the Spanish get all their Eurofighter Typhoons(they have already
got their first batch of Eurofighter Typhoons I understand).
No matter how good an Israeli pilot in an F-15I or F-16I would be,
he/she just CAN'T compete with an American Pilot in an F-22 Raptor or
a European pilot in a Eurofighter Typhoon.
The Israelis just don't have stuff even close to as good as the Meteor
BVR air to air missile for example.
Most of Western Europe will have these missiles on their fighter
planes soon.
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