SeeAndAvoid wrote:
"Stan Prevost" wrote:

Regardless, I still dont see the "necessary" part of the PT in this
scenario. Ya, I know that's only in the AIM, but how would you
be able to defend that part if you were set up a mile outside of
the IAF on the radial, or 10 miles, or 100 miles out. I can easily
see an FAA attorney using this argument.

Interesting discussion, since in my view the answer is cut-and-dried and
unequivocal: vector-to-final or "NoPT" = no procedure turn, otherwise =
procedure turn.

I've also found that some controllers seem surprised by this, so I make a point
of informally making sure the controller and I have the same expectations, but
from a legal point of view, the answer is clear.

BTW, I don't see where the controller has discretion to waive the requirement
for a procedure turn, either, as they sometimes want to do. Seems to me if the
controller doesn't want me to do a PT, they need to either put me on a NoPT
segment or give me vectors to final. If I'm navigating on my own to the IAF, I'm
going to do the PT.