On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 10:59:17 PM UTC-5, Nick Kennedy wrote:
Thanks guys for taking the time to write back with your experiences!
The all metal thing is a big + no gelcoat issues!
So at this point the L33, Libelle, Astir and Jantar are on our short list.
Thanks again for the honest opinion's, they help a lot!
Fly safe in 2020

Interesting. I would never consider the Jantars as safe gliders for beginners, as solid as they are. IIRC, 100h flight time was required from us in my club. PW-5 yes, by all means. I have flown both.