Andreas Parsch wrote in message ...
robert arndt wrote:


What? "Projekt _Saucer_"?!? ROTFLOL!! Why the **** would the SS name
the project "Saucer" - that isn't a German word!


That is a postwar English translation, sorry. Should be "Projekt
Flugkreisel".


Translating "Flugkreisel" as "saucer" ... cute. If they translated the
rest of the Nazi documents equally accurate, it would explain a lot :-(.

The postwar mistranslation of course comes from Rudolf Lusar's account
in "German Secret Weapons of the Second World War (1959) and to a
greater extent W.A. Harbinson's books "Genesis", "Inception", etc...
In Germany at the time the craft were known under many different terms
for the different research. BMW's craft were "Flugelrads", the early
Thule/Vril designs were "RundFlugZeugs", and the others
"Flugkreisels". What is so hard to understand about that?



As far as I understand the information recieved by the Thule/Vril
mediums they were instructed to construct a flight machine only. Some
of the RFZ and Vril photos clearly show MGs but I am not certain about
the MK-108 claims. I can't tell from the photos given if that
protruding gun is a 30mm cannon. Anyway, the Germans certainly would
have tried arming some even though their type of flight made them
useless as fighters.


High speed and manoeverability made them "useless" as fighters? Hey,
the Nazis sure set their requirements rather high, didn't they ;-)?

Their speed was straight-line acceleration and they were restricted to
maneuvering at only three different angles due to the operation of the
Thule Triebwerke. Added to this was no armament. So, what kind of
fighter could it be? AFAIK, the only disc used for a mission was the
Haunebu II that was in contact with the German raider Atlantis and the
DoStra version that was used for recon, briefly. I understand it was
escorted by conventional fighters upon take-off and landing.



Then why mention "certain developments in the Third Reich at the close
of WW2" in Project Bluebook? It is an official document and they
certainly aren't referring to a Me-262 when comparing Reich technology
to '60s sightings of alien disc craft. Second, the USAF denied the
Flugelrads for 51 years... then suddenly admitted the Germans had them
in 1996... "but that they were highly unstable". Sorry, we get the
admission but no photos of any kind or flight footage (which the USAF
certainly has).


"certainly" has? Have you _seen_ the footage? If not, how can you say
"certainly"??

First, let me address the fact that you keep ignoring my the FACTS
that the USAF ADMITTED the Flugelrad craft in 1996. May I remind you
yet again that they denied the craft even existed for 51 years. The
USAAF that became the USAF also has plenty of documentation and
footage of the Feuerball weapon from the 415th NFS. That too is a FACT
that you can't dispute. So where are the files and disclosure on those
craft? Are you telling me the USAF admits these craft but has
absolutely no photographic proof of them or flight footage? They have
everything and if you don't think so look up the story of the two USAF
reporters that have come forward to describe the German discs that
were seen at MacDill AFB back in the '60s. They saw they them,
photographed them, and were given access to MacDill's archives which
showed the German craft in flight.
It is obvious that you don't want to accept this... for what reason I
don't know.
I think everyone here would love to see everything the USAF has under
wraps from 1945-present. The true history is way more interesting than
that out of date, misleading textbook nonsense.



No, you are full of ****


Finally!! I began to wonder how long it would take to draw a real
flame :-)!

I apologize for the comment, it was inappropriate. It just bugs me the
way people are so in denial about advanced aircraft. Its that old fear
of the unknown thing. Why exactly can't we handle a technology that
produces a rotating magnetic field and one that uses gravity to do all
the work? Mankinds solution to flight thus far has been using engines
that go AGAINST nature. We use powerful explosive forces in jets and
rockets to PUSH air and spacecraft through the atmosphere and space.
Nature is the opposite and Schauberger, Coler, and the rest of the
people at Lockheed & Northrop seem to have grasped that idea and have
working craft that far exceed conventional jet aircraft.
Maybe you look at the F-22, MiG-39, Su-47, Gripen, Eurofighter,
Rafale, B-2, F-117, etc... as state-of-the-art military technolgy, but
I do not. I look at them like I would a biplane prior to WW1. These
craft are obsolete.

since Lockheed and Northrop fly such black
budget craft today.


Again, how do you know? ... Oh yes, I know, it's "all over the
internet, so it must be true!" LOL!

No, common sense tells us that there are more advanced aircraft flying
since the B-2 was unveiled in the late '80s. Do you honestly believe
the only thing we're working on now is that lame F-22 and F-35? What
has the USAF, NRO, NSA, CIA, etc... been doing covertly for over 2
decades?


What flew over Belgium in the early '90s was a
military aircraft and it is photographed, witnesses by hundreds, and
confirmed by civilian radar, military radar, Fighter radar, and even
spy sat. Note the craft has no jet engines, so what is it flying on
Andreas?


The "best" photo, which the "UFO community" has been distributing,
shows three blobs of light in the night sky - and _nothing else! No
structures, no background to determine scale, _nothing_! So how the
**** do you know how this craft was powered?! The lights could as well
come from (and probably _did_ come from) a simple ultralight aircraft
(which is _indeed_ not jet-powered ;-) ).

The "UFO community" takes advantage of everything for its agenda,
agreed. But the Belgian Wave was reported all over the world and the
photos published everywhere. The photos do not just show 3 blobs of
light. They show a distinct black triangle with 3 non-jet sources of
propulsion. And there weren't just one craft but several which flew in
formation. The craft sped off as the F-16s approached and headed back
towards the UK. Can you say Bae Warton? But before you go on about
doubting electrogravitic propulsion why then has the USAF also
admitted testing of a FFX or Field-Effects demonstrator back in the
'90s? Funny how electrogravitics surfaced and then a brief pause
before the USAF admitted testing FFX. Yet a decade later, there is
still a general news blackout on this testing. We are provided no
info, no photos, nothing...
[...]
You lie Andreas.


When?? I admit that I provoked you with sarcastic remarks, but _lies_?
No, sorry, there were none.

You lied when you said the A.S.6 was the only circular/disc craft to
fly in the Third Reich. It is fairly obvious (at least to me) that the
Flugelrads flew as well as the Feuerball weapon that plagued the 415th
NFS. Schauberger's Repulsin motors also achieved flight in the
laboratory and may have been installed on a larger scale in one of the
other German disc programs (read "Hunt for Zero Point"). Then there
are the controversial RFZ,Vril, and Haunebu craft...

If you examined the files, photos, flight footage,
you are the kind of person who would STILL DENY the evidence.


Have you _seen_ the files, photos, etc.? How can you know they will
support your claims? Just because you say so?? Your behaviour confirms
_exactly_ what I said - conspiracy nuts like you are _so sure_ that
they are right, that _every_ evidence which doesn't fit into their
views is simply dismissed as being incomplete or faked.

And BTW, all I need to "believe" is film or photo evidence, which
several independent experts confirm as genuine and un-"doctored".

I would be more satisified to check out Wright Patterson's storage
facilities because that where the US story begins. I doubt they
destroyed the German discs seeing how we have preserved the Go-229,
Ba-349, He-162, etc...

I pity you.
Which person is more decieved- the one who only believes "official"
history or the one that believes we've been lied to?
Time is on my side...


Do you live forever ;-)?

No, but I will probably be here in 2020 when the files are opened. Maybe you will too and we will see who was right and who was wrong. Fair enough?
Andreas

Rob