On Thursday, 31 October 2019 08:42:34 UTC-6, Tango Eight wrote:
On Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 8:43:06 AM UTC-4, krasw wrote:
On Thursday, 31 October 2019 14:21:59 UTC+2, Tango Eight wrote:
On Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 2:19:51 AM UTC-4, krasw wrote:
On Wednesday, 30 October 2019 15:40:58 UTC+1, Tango Eight wrote:
On Wednesday, October 30, 2019 at 8:55:15 AM UTC-4, krasw wrote:
On Wednesday, October 30, 2019 at 12:15:07 PM UTC+2, Jim White wrote:
At 07:14 30 October 2019, krasw wrote:

I should add that proposed scoring change to Annex A (by USA) creates
MASSIVE incentive to scratch home over the last trees and creates a huge
out landing risk.

There is already a strong incentive to scratch home and pretty much
everyone I fly against in the UK 15s would do so anyway. I like the
proposal as it simplifies the scoring rules.

Sensible pilots will choose a flat landable field before the line that can
be used safely if they cannot make the hedge. In circumstances where there
is a finish ring the decision to land will probably be made higher and with
reduced risk.

Landing out is a integral part of competition flying in gliders. We train
for it and do it regularly. If you fly a motor glider (dig) then you
probably are less current and more at risk when the engine doesn't behave.

Jim

If you are the one out of 50 pilots who gets home and others land out on the last field next to finish line, current scoring gives you maybe ten point spread over pilots landing out. Proposed scoring would increase this to 250 points (devaluation scheme applies to both, depending on the day). In my opinion the incentive is not the same.

Provides incentive to fly your own race, yes. That's a good thing.

T8

Ok, picture this. Weather is weak dry thermals to 2000ft. You have a long task to fly. The pilot who gets home collects the 250p award. There is 50 pilots flying the same task in ****ty weather. And your tactic would be "to fly your own race"?

In USA, we will not launch if the top of lift is 2000'.

T8

Your arguments are so rock solid that I concede.

That wasn't an argument, just putting the truth out there. You think we are doing this wrong?

Here is how it works: The CD will generally announce criteria for safe launch and safe task opening. I'm going to disregard specialized ridge sites for this exposition. Launch criteria will generally be sustainable lift to about 2500 agl. Gate opening depends upon local terrain, but I don't believe I have ever see a gate open on less than 3000' agl. Task does not open until CD polls airborne task advisors, who must declare "Fair and Safe conditions".

T8

T8, my experience at to world championships (on the ground) is that task advisors are not consulted, rather 'x' number of minutes after launch is completed the task is open.

Procedural difference that could be addressed with local procedures.