I still think you are wasting your time and that of your students. Compass
turns are not practical...that's why they haven't been in the PTS for a long
time; it's not just a change in the most recent PTS. Turn coordinator
calibration is a non-issue, except for CFII checkrides. So you aim for 270
and end up with 250...is this life-threatening? Easy to fix, and absolutely
no one will notice.

Anyone who cannot pick two headings off of the heading indicator, count the
number of ten-degree/45-degree tick marks between them, and divide by three
may not be intellectually suited to aviation.

Bob



"Barry" wrote in message ...
Compass turns are not required by the PTS. In my opinion, teaching and
practicing compass turns is a complete waste of time that could be more
profitably spent on more practical maneuvers. OTOH, timed turns make
perfectly good sense....

Compare that with simply rolling into a standard rate turn (still hard to
maintain in turbulence) and watching the seconds tick by. BTW, nobody
expects you to roll out anywhere close to a desired heading when
conditions are really bad.

Yes, compass turns are not in the new PTS. However, I think that it's
still a skill worth learning. I prefer (and teach) using timing for small
turns (heading change 60 degrees or less), and the compass for larger
turns. All you really need to remember is that if the desired heading is
north, you roll out early, and if the desired heading is south, you go
past it before rolling out. This gets you close, and then you used a
small timed turn to get closer. I really think this is easier than trying
to figure out the time required for say, a right turn from 320 to 180.
There's also the effect of the turn coordinator calibration.

But I wouldn't insist on compass turns if the pilot makes acceptable timed
turns.