On Sep 29, 10:57*pm, "Paul Remde" wrote:
Hi Aaron,

I'm sorry, but I must respectfully disagree with your statements below about
the Naviter Oudie. *I find it to be fast and significantly brighter in
sunlight than any iPAQ. *The only devices that are brighter are the much
more expensive LX8000, LX8080, LX98000, ClearNav, Ultimate, and LX Mini Map.

Please mention the bugs in SeeYou Mobile that have not been fixed. *I think
it works great and is very well supported.

I think the new devices do look interesting, but the Oudie has been and
continues to be hugely popular. *I've sold 336 so far. *Customers seem to
like them very much - and tell their friends about them.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

"akiley" wrote in message

...

Hi Paul,

I don't own a glider, only club and rental. *I own SeeYou mobile and
PC with several iPaqs. *SeeYou has several bug$ that never get fixed.
And the iPaq hardware is horribly old and slow. *So I triedXCSoaron
my Droid X Android phone. *It's so much faster, larger and more
readable screen. *I do not have an external GPS for the Droid, so it's
sort of my backup GPS for now. *I ran them both and got some IGC file
discrepancies that may be from lack of external antenna for the Droid
X.

Anyway, I thinkXCSoaris amazing. *The shaded circle around your
glider showing wind aware landout point based on polar, safety
altitude etc is very nice.

XCSoarhas improved dramatically recently. *Porting to Android and
great features. *I still occasionally get kicked out of the app and
have to restart it, but it happens less with each upgrade. *That said,
this type of thing happens with SeeYou and iPaq too.

Hoping for more refinements fromXCSoarnamely some kind of color
coded nav boxes like SeeYou so you can quickly id data.

Sean Fiddler is right. *People keep begging for these commercial apps
to port to modern hardware. *I've seen the Oudie but I think it
terrible in full sun. *The iPaqs are better because the screen sort of
uses the sun to light the image. *Oudie is much better in the shade
though.

Anyway, but thumbs up forXCSoar! *... Aaron

I've mentioned these bugs on the Naviter forum and on this group. I
don't have the latest SeeYou, I'm at 3.2. I lived with these bugs for
a long time and didn't feel like spending more money on an upgrade to
see if they were fixed or not. Here is my list. The wing loading
changes when you leave the polar screen then come back. In Michigan,
the magnetic track box is off 12 degrees. Sometimes the graphic
thermal page shows blank the entire flight, sometimes it starts
working part way through. The Required MC to your target (NavBox)
doesn't take wind into account like the pseudo glideslope indicator
does.

I still like SeeYou mobile, and especially SeeYou PC, but I think
these should have been fixed by free incremental upgrades. I paid
good money for these apps :-)

I'm glad people like Oudie/SeeYou combo, and I'm sorry I dissagree,
but I still say in full sun, the Oudie is not as readable as the old
iPacs. They have a brighter screen for sure, but in full sun, screen
brightness isn't really a factor because the sun overpowers them so
much. I put the Oudie side by side with several iPaqs in direct sun
and played with every angle to the sun, and reflected them into my
black t-shirt for maximum contrast and that was my personal
conclusion. I forget the name for it, but the old iPaqs (3700 and
3850) have a screen that will sort of glow when held at the correct
angle to full sun. Under a cloud I wouldn't be surprised if Oudie was
as good or better. Maybe building a sun shade for the Oudie as I've
heard people talk about. One of the new Android phones has this kind
of screen which is recommend on the XCSoar forums.

... Aaron