Mike
the way i understand it is ( not an expert though ) ,if the heli isn't in
balance to manufacturers recomendations then you can run out of cyclic.That
is the way i have had it explained to me . You would run out of cyclic
straight away because you are out of balance.
cheers
Ben
"Mike Williams" wrote in message
...
Could you actually run out of cyclic before running out of fuel and if you
ever got into that situation would a safe or survivable landing be
possible.
e.g running landing or ditching.

Mike Williams (non pilot)

"Andrew Crane" wrote in message
...


that we could poss get around half gallon of fuel approx 3lbs on
board
,not
even enough to deal with start up and shut down . Whilst i
understand
weight
is an issue ,i was amazed to see this . My instructor is very
light -
150lbs
and my passenger was 224lbs.I have many large framed friends who i
have
told
i will take for a jolly , now i've got to ask them to lose a few
pounds
before we can fly..

Surely the problem is weight rather than balance -- as the fuel is
behind
the mast you'd be better to have more rather than less fuel to move the
CG
backwards unless weight was the issue. I remember my problem was
compounded
with aft cyclic movement issues due to my beer gut :-)

We ended up changing to an older machine that has the 320 engine
that
is
lighter and managed to go for a short flight,still being restricted
to
a
light fuel load .

Strange -- I had always thought the HP had the battery in the front (or
was
that just the Mariner)? I seem to remember HPs "kneel down" more on
lifting
than the later Beta 2.

Solution? Type conversion to an R44....

Regards
Andrew (who learned to fly at 240lbs with a 170 lb tutor and not much
more
than a prayer in the tank :-)

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