No, one property of the route WANTED in this case is that go through Potomac
approach. The route is wanted by the pilot but Potomac approach says he
can't go through Potomac approach. So, one property of the route NEEDED in
this case is that it NOT go through Potomac approach. You can't always get
what you want, you get what you need.

No, one property of the route WANTED by Potomac approach is that it not
go through there. Who's wagging the what?

Potomac approach boundaries are fixed. The pilot doesn't need to know where
they are, the controller does. All the pilot has to do is decide if he
wants to go around Potomac approach

Whether they are fixed or not is not information readily available to
the pilot (there are plenty of examples of controller boundaries that
are not fixed). And the pilot =does= need to know what the boundaries
are in order to make an intellegent decision as to whether to go around
it or do something else.

I wonder how many airline pilots have heard "XYZ approach is refusing to
handle you".
Conduct a survey.


OK. For all airline pilots on this newsgroup who are willing to
participate, please post here whether or not you have ever heard in
flight a controller say that "XYZ approach is refusing to handle you,
say intentions" (for the pedants, replace XYZ by any approach). "NO"
answers are just as important as "YES" answers.

Jose
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