Does the concept of "P1S" (Pilot in command under supervision) not
exist in the US? When operating thus, the client would be PIC under
supervision, but the captain would be the instructor/examiner.

In europe, for example, when you take your PPL flight test, it is
taken as P1S. If you pass, it counts as PIC time, and if you do not
pass, it is simply P/UT (Pilot Under Tuition) time.

Leland





On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:21:54 GMT, "john price"
wrote:

My take has always been no... Unfortunately, the FAA doesn't
seem to understand that once the wheels leave the ground, a
tailwheel plane is just an airplane!!!! Ran into this a few years back
on a trip to Sun & Fun in a friends Maule before I got my TW
endorsement... Already had my IFR rating, but the owner
didn't...

John Price
CFII/AGI/IGI
http://home.att.net/~jm.price



"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
.. .
On 6 Sep 2003 17:55:47 -0700, (Doug) wrote:

Client is an instrument rated pilot with his own tailwheel, instrument
equipped airplane. Client is current on tailwheel, but lacks currency
in IFR.

Instructor is CFII and current, but lacks a tailwheel endorsement.

Client wants to take off in VFR, and open an IFR flight plan (on the
instructors qualifications), and fly the IFR flight plan.

Can the instructor file an IFR flight plan and open it in the air
(after takeoff) fly the IFR flight plan and cancel IFR before landing
with the agreement that the client is PIC for takeoff and landing?

It seems to me that the question is "is it necessary to be acting as
PIC in order to open and accept an IFR clearance?" because the CFII
cannot act as PIC in a tailwheel aircraft, yet he does have "catagory
and class" ratings necessary to accept an IFR clearance. But I will
have to admit, I really don't know.

I'll stick my head out and say NO ... because:

Someone has to be PIC.
In instrument conditions, the PIC must have an instrument rating.
To be PIC in a tailwheel a/c, one must have a tailwheel endorsement.

Neither pilot in the above scenario meets the requirements.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)