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Old December 26th 06, 09:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Default Cleared for the ILS 16 or circle to land 34 question?

Jose and Mark

I forgot to mention that I assumed that either circling minimums were
equal to staright-in LOC minimums or for whatever reason, the aircraft
did not descend below circling minimums at any time.

Mark

The Pilot in this example was not shooting the ILS 34 but the LOC-16.
He finds himself seeing the runway to high to land on 16. Hope this
clarifies the situation.

I once did a CTL at the end of a VOR app on a very convective rainy
night. I made the runway but the Lear behind couldn't and missed.
Should I have been in the previously described situation I would have
rather done the 360 circling than going back into that s..t again.


Mark Hansen wrote:
On 12/26/06 07:46, Jose wrote:
You are on the LOC rwy 16 approach and (because you reached the MDA
close to the MAP) you are in a position in which you are to too high to
make a safe landing. Wind precludes landing on rwy 34.

Is it legal to circle to land all the way round to rwy 16 provided you
remain in the CTL protected area?


I would say yes, so long as you are above the circle-to-land minima.
Remember, they are usually higher than a straight-in. I presume you
were expecting to land straight in and thus descended to the straight-in
MDA.

Now, suppose you did that... would it be legal to climb to the circle
MDA and circle all the way around? I don't see why not, so long as you
remain visual.


The regs say that if you're below the minimum, you must execute a missed
approach. If you're below the circling minima when you decide to execute
the circle maneuver, then you must execute the missed approach.

Now, if you say you climbed back up to circling minima and *then* decided
to execute the circling maneuver, you'd be lying and it would be obvious.

If the winds really did preclude a landing on 34, shouldn't you have known
that before flying the ILS to minimums?


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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
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