"Icarus" wrote in message
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F-15C. Unchallenged combat record.

How much combat has the SU-27/37 seen?

Call me when they get some actual experience.


Just FYI 2 Su 27's from Lipetsk (a Russian "Top gun" school) flew to
Langley
air force base where they competed against F-15's. If think it was in
1992.
but what was surprising for some was the fact that the Sukhoi proved to be
better in almost every aspect-there was only one test in which F-15 barely
managed to beat Su 27...Pilot skill???

Yes, a nice air show demonstration. Whats the COMBAT record of the Su-27
again?

Anyway, Americans always
relied on hi-tech electronics whereas Russians relied on
super-maneuvreability.

Yet the F-15 has a 120-0 kill record, mostly against Soviet airplanes.
Hmmmm. . . .

When is a US fighter going to be able to do a
Somersault? Some will say those are only things for airshows but in
dogfight
they could mean a difference...

Please, detail the difference for us.

Btw...anyone remember that Le Bourget crash
showing K-36 efficiency, I doubt Martin Baker seats are as good as the
"Zvezda" (Ok, probably close, yet not as good)...

Yes, very interesting that the Soviets designed ejection seats that way -
almost as if they assumed from the beginning that their planes would get
shot down in droves.

Just one thing for the end-the first air to air kill of the Gulf War is
believed to be a US F-18 shot down by an Iraqi MiG-25 on 17 January 1991.

I note it wasn't an F-15.

Yeah, the Israeli F-15's
shot down 3 MiG-25's but MiG-25 was capable of doing damage and getting
out
of there fast-at 2,8 Mach

I see the F-15s shot down 3 MiG-25s. How many F-15s did the Mig-25s shoot
down? Oh, whats that? ZERO, you say. Hmmmm . . . . .

What I was trying to say the whole time is
that Russian fighters (I'm talkin about Suhkoi's) may or may not be so
perfect, but you sure can't just underestimate them and start shouting US
Air force has the best planes and pilots in the whole wide world

I never said that. I said the best modern fighter is the F-15, based on its
unchallenged combat record.