"Steve R." wrote in message ...
Hi Kevin,

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" skiddz *AT* adelphia *DOT* net wrote in
message ...
On 6 Sep 2004 23:20:19 -0700, (helicopterandy)
wrote:


A little vibration for sure, but nothing like you are describing, or
is this again a bit of exageration on your part? Not trying to provoke
you here, as I have been there myself (learning to fly helis) and it
can be VERY tense at times. It's just that this Google Rotorcraft
forum seems to be frequented by mainly remote control helicopter
enthusists and the Rotorway/Safari/experimental deathwish crowd that
have very limited knowledge about flying and I would really want to
make ceratin that a novice flyer like yourself will give an accurate
account here so as not to confuse all the other readers here who have
not became heli pilots.

My postings are anectdotal only. They are for entertainment PERIOD.
If anyone is assuming this is part of some freebie flight training,
they need to look into another hobby/profession.

Please understand I'm not trying to ridicule or be derisive of your
descriptions, I've been right where you are and I know the feelings
very well. I'd just like to urge you to write a diary with less
adjectives and bluster than what you are sometimes doing now. You are
(inadvertatntly I'm sure)making it sound as if some of your flights
are more akin to "The Right Stuff" movie footage than true flight
training, especially the "full left pedal" and "shaking" stuff. Either
that or your instructor needs to do a better job of instructing as I
can assure you this is not the way it's done.

Since I'm not a professional writer and am not trying to write a
column for any aviation related magazine or fill out the pages of some
training manual, I'll continue to write what I'm feeling. If you
choose to assume "shaking" is "violent" and "full left pedal" really
isn't (funny, I don't remember seeing you in the cockpit next to me)
that's fine. I don't take offense at what you're saying and I do see
your point. However, since (again) these posts are anecdotal in
nature, I don't see the need to accurately document each and every
control movement and its associated effect on the helicopter.


I don't know who this guy is but please don't take him too seriously. Your
stories have been great. Please keep em coming!

I've met a few rotorcraft rated pilots (of the full size and FAA certified
variety) with 8k, 10k, 20k, etc. hours under their belts that weren't as
sharp on some issues as they like to think they were. I'm not saying that
they are not competent pilots. Just that, with all their time, they
sometimes start thinking they can do no wrong. It's not uncommon amoung
pilot types for any kind of aircraft.

Yes, there are more than a few RC pilots that lurk around here. So what.
The high time, full size pilots really shouldn't "assume" that we're all
totally ignorant about helicopters and their dynamics just because we don't
sit in the thing. I've done a LOT of studying with regards to helicopter
dynamics through the years in an attempt to better understand why my model
did what it did the other day. I'm not claiming to be an expert by any
stretch of the imagination but I think I've got certain basics down pretty
solidly. :-)

Perhaps my "bluster" will make the "Rotorway/Safari/experimental
deathwish crowd" (Talk about derisive) consider additional training
before strapping in.


I certainly hope so. I'd also hope the same would go for those like the guy
you're responding to. I don't care if he's got 8k hours or more under his
belt or not. Additional training is never a bad thing.

If I may quote Steve R;

You certainly may! :-D

Fly safe.

Steve R.

PS: I was surprised by this high time pilot asking "why" you do a cool down
period on the R22. I know that the cool down procedure is required on
turbine machine but I can't remember being in any full size helicopter
(piston or turbine) where they "didn't" do a cool down of some sort at the
end of the flight.

Dear Sir or whomever you are (I am responding NOT to the diary writer
here but to the other guy who chose to jump into the middle of this),
I was refering to Mr. Diary writer's stated FIVE MINUTE COOLDOWN of a
helicopter that requires two minute max before clutch disengagement!!!
What's so hard to understand about that? If the guy's school is
making him "cooldown" for five minutes and he's paying for Hobbs time
(and again maybe you don't know what Hobbs time means, it stands for
every second the engine has oil pressure) then he's paying for time
that is absolutely not required and all he's doing is paying for time
"easy time" that the school is not earning. PS I notice he (Mr Diary
Writer)chose not to respond to this question so maybe he's going to
take it up w/ his school as he should!!
$200 plus an hour adds up really fast. Oh yeah...one more thing if I
may: Believe me when I say with absolute certainty that you don't have
the "basics" down at all, in any form or fashion if you've never taken
a lesson. RC hobbycrafts are a wee bit different than the real thing.
Go give it a try.

Dear Mr Diary Writer,
Thanks for the reply. I apprecaite the fact that you aren't a
professional writer and I only wanted to urge you to be careful in
your descriptions as you/we never know who will read this stuff and
take you literally. Seriously, the experimental crowd may do so. And
you were right re my "derisive" comments about calling the
Rotorway/Safari crowd "deathwishers" and I shouldn't have used that
term. Although I wouldn't fly one of those ships at gunpoint.
Take care and blue skies, and if you ARE using full left pedal and
your CFI didn't jump on the controls, he's got more guts than me!

Regards,
Mark
N26394