george wrote:

Matt Giwer wrote:

Robert Kolker wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
In the real world every time civilian populations have been bombed
the resolution to fight has increased. That should have been learned
in WWII but those AF types have delusions of grandeur. So every time
they get involved they want to bomb civilians again to "break the will
to resist" which has NEVER happened.

Wrong. It worked in Japan. Two nukes and the war was over.

Far be it from me to contradict your grade school teachers.

Giwer is a nazi. That's the level of clever you're dealing with

Giwer may or may not be a Nazi but he on this one he is also right, (a
stopped clock is right twice a day).

Japan had did not only surrender because of THE BOMB.
US had total air superiority was bombing Japan on a daily basis with
conventional weapons,
more people died in the fire bombing of Tokyo a few weeks before than
in either Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

Japan was dependant on imports for Food and Fuel, and US Submarines had
sunk the vast majority of the Japanese Merchant Fleet and most of the
Japanese Navy was also at the bottom of the Pacific by this time. Total
Naval blockade was already condemning Japan to starvation and a
simultaneous Oil embargo.

On land Stalin's forces were taking Manchuria that week, heading into
Korea and before the end of the year would be preparing for invasion of
the Home Islands.

UK was moving forces freed up from Europe so was in the process of
taking back SE Asia, and had a Pacific Fleet again for the first time
in 4 years.

US had a real plan to invade and occupy the Home Islands and Japan knew
it. The UK and Empire by mid 46 would be in a position to provide
sufficient troops to be arguing for an occupation zone of Japan, the US
neither needed the troops nor wanted the future political complications
of a joint occupation and that's before you think about the Red Army.

Oh and of course in 1945 something like 90% plus of the nations on the
planet were in a declared state of War with Japan.

An unprovoked Nuclear attack on Iran by either the US or Israel with
the support of no other nation on the planet except each other would
provoke the reaction from Iran that 9/11 provoked in the US "how do we
hit back". The rest of the Muslim world would support Iran against what
would be seen as Genocidal monsters, most of the rest of the planet
would initially be sympathetic to Iran. 24/7 pictures on CNN,
Al-Jazeera, Star, Sky, etc etc pictures of Iranian corpses and
irradiated children.
Major risk is a coup in Pakistan which puts existing Nuclear weapons
into the hands of hard line Islamic regime.
Other risk is reaction in Iraq, last summer the elected Iraqi
government backed Hezbullah in the war with Lebanon much to the shock
of US politicians, it is possible that you would end up with direct
fighting between US and Iraqi Army as well as mass revolt in Shia
south, attacks from both major Shia militias Badr Brigades, and Mahdi
Army which at present are not attacking US troops.