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Old May 18th 10, 11:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
ryanglover1969[_2_]
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Default Losing time in Cloud-Streets?

On May 18, 2:33*pm, "noel.wade" wrote:
All -

I've been flying with the assumption that flying slow in cloud-streets
is always a good idea. *But in looking at some of my OLC flights I
wonder if my logic is faulty and I'm hurting my speed. *Anyone with
lots of OLC or contest experience care to offer feedback? Details
below...

My thinking has always been that your forward speed in a circling
climb is effectively "0" (slightly more or less than 0, based on wind;
but call it 0 for the sake of argument). As a corollary, anything you
can do to maintain or gain altitude while retaining forward progress
on-course is a "win".

Therefore, I've always been slowing down in cloud-streets or under
large clouds with apparent extended areas of lift. *If I'm anywhere
near cloudbase (say, less than 1000' or so), my logic has been that
I'm not gaining enough altitude to stop and circle with that zero
forward speed. *Instead I try to maximize the lift by flying straight
ahead (or slightly curving my path to stay in the zone of lift) at
slow speed (say 50 kts).

Rough math to support my thoughts:
With a cruise speed of 75 knots and a time-in-climb around 25%,
average forward speed is roughly 56 knots (75% x 75 knots). *This is
so close to the 50 knots (while flying in a cloud-street) that it
seems to support my behavior... *But maybe I'm missing something?
Maybe the gains I'm getting are not enough to offset the slower cruise-
speed during these times? *I should point out that I fly in pretty
strong thermal conditions at my local site (Ephrata, WA).

I could throw in all of my various caveats and details and thought-
processes, but rather than make this a really long post I'd love to
get some thoughts and feedback. *Anyone have pointers, ideas, see
fallacies in my process, etc?

Thanks,

--Noel


I've been thinking the same thing. I try hard to minimize the time I
spend circling. This year I'm going to slow down in lift, but not as
much as I have in the past...maybe to 60-65 knots. And I'm going to
strive harder to fly faster between thermals....say 75-80 knots on a
4-5 knot day. Ask yourself....Do I land out often? I'm guessing you
don't. I do think 50 knots is too probably too conservative under a
street. I may try to set my ring to the average expected lift under
the street, so that would be even faster than 60-65 knts....humm. Let
me know how it goes...