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Old January 4th 07, 03:38 AM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
R Leonard
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Ski wrote:
was not VF-11 the "Red Rippers" or have I aged, VF-111 is/was "Sundowners"
but not to worry - your keyboard may have typed 111 but it didn't come out
that way - mine is like that all the time


Briefly, Sun Downers (note, properly two words, not one) were formed in
August 1942. Originally planned as a new incarnation of VF-42 (the
first CO was Charlie Fenton, the last CO of VF-42), assignment to
CVG-11 in October left the actual numbering done deal, VF-11. After
working up at North Island, the Air Group was due to take up residence
aboard USS Hornet (CV-8) and was headed west when the bad news came in.
VF-11 fetched up at Maui and it was here that the famous insignia of
two F4Fs shooting into a setting sun was designed, stenciling worked
out, and applied for the first time. The insignia was applied to the
instrument access panels on both sides forward of the cockpit and
personnel also received leather patches with the insignia stenciled on
them. Thus the beginnings of the Sun Downer insignia; my father (like
Fenton, a VF-42 alumnus) was the gent who designed the insignia. VF-11
proceeded to a tour in the Solomons from early April to mid July 1943
in F4Fs and a second tour, carrier based, in F6Fs.
After the war, the squadron was redesignated VF-11A on 15 Nov 1946 and
on 15 Jul 1948 redesignated VF-111. VF-111 was disestablished on 19
Jan 1959 and on the next day VA-156 was redesignated VF-111 20 Jan
1959. This new VF-111 adopted the insignia of the previous VF-111.
The squadron was briefly redesignated VF-26 from 1 Sep 1964 to 17 Sep
1964 and then reverted back to VF-111 until disestablished on 31 Mar
1995.

The Red Rippers could trace their origin back to 1 Feb 1927 when first
established as VF-5. The squadron went through many redesignations
over the years: to VF-5S on 1 Jul 1927, VF-5B in Jan 1928, VB-1B on 1
Jul 1928, VF-5B on 1 Jul 1930, VF-5S in Jul 1932, VF-5B in Apr 1933,
VF-4 on 1 Jul 1937, VF-41 on 15 Mar 1941, VF-4 on 4 Aug 1943, VF-1A on
15 Nov 1946, and to VF-11 on 2 Aug 1948. The squadron lineage broke
when the squadron was disestablished on 15 Feb 1959. On 16 Feb 1959
VF-43 was redesignated VF-11 and adopted the Rippers insignia of the
previous VF-11.

So, no, Ski, your memory is not faulty, VF-11 was Red Rippers, but only
since 1948. The original VF-11 were Sun Downers which eventually
morphed into VF-111.

Interestingly, VF-42 was formed from VS-41 aboard USS Ranger in March
1941 and drew some of its pilots in a personnel swap with VF-41 and
shared with them flying duties in some of the first F4Fs delivered to
the fleet. My father was one of the VS-41 types who went to VF-42,
Fenton, then XO of the new fighting squadron, was from VF-41.

Rich