"Michael Petukhov" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"Michael Petukhov" wrote in message
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what do you mean collusion?

Look the word up in a dictionary Michael

And what the actual basis to believe
that is right interpretation of the actual history.


The treaties signed between the USSR and Nazi Germany in 1939,
specifcally the secret protocols

So what? Standard practice for anyone. For istance
on 25.08.39 Britain signed agreement of mutual assitance
with Poland, so called Galifax-Rachinsky pact, which also
included a secret protocol defining who is "european state"
against which it is directed and what to do if there will
be need to change that "europen state" to another
"european state". It is defensive pact without secret
protocol and cab be aggresive with one. Ever heard about this?


Nope cause it doesnt exist, the Anglo Polish mutual assistance treaty
of 25th August 1939 was signed by HALIFAX and RACZYNSKI
and was far from secret. In fact the British PM wrote to Hitler on the
28th August specifically to inform him of its content so that there
would be no confusion, he then went on to make a public speech
in the house of commons about the subject. There was no doubt at
the time in anyones mind about the British position.

The Secret Protocol of the German Soviet agreement on
the other hand were definitely NOT well known at the time
and the Soviets were extremely upset when news of it
was released in 1946.



when this
was admitted by Soviet and Russian governments MANY
years ago.

Well it was admitted by state criminals, traitors and history
falcificators. Certainly you would not deny that if
documents found in a sealed package in the most secrete part
of Gorby archive allowed only, as he said it was, to national leader
eyes, to be very row fakes, when we can be pretty sure
that Gorby himself is involved in falcification of the history
and as such is state criminal and traitor, no matter what were
his or his subordinates real goals.


Trouble is Michael the treaties were initially found in the
GERMAN archives back in 1945

What traubles? I was talking about so called "Katyn documents"
which are found to be fakes. As for Molotov-Ribbentrop pact
we have nothing to hide, absolutely nothing. All was done correctly
properly and in time. I see absolutely no traubles for us with
all that Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

and the truth came out
during the Nuremburg tial of Hans Franck German Governor
of Poland. Despite the protests of the Soviet Union the Gauss
affidavit was entered into evidence. This was an account of the
contents of the documents which was drafted from memory by
Dr. Wilhelm Gauss, legal adviser to the Nazi Foreign Office,
who drew up the non-aggression treaty between the Reich and
the Soviet Union.

Exactly this was non-aggresive treaty on 23.09.39 and later on.


He was present at the meeting between Ribbentrop and
Stalin at which the agreement to carve up Poland was made.
All this came out 40 years before Gorby came to power.

So what but he was present at the meeting?


Yes

Keith I do not quite understand you. what you want to prove?


That the Soviet Government colluded with the Nazis to carve up
Poland between them. The Polish officer corps represented a
possible threat to Soviet hegemony and Stalin dealt with it
the same way he dealt with the officer corps of the Red Army in
1939, mass executions and deportations to Siberia.

Around 1 million Poles were sent to Soviet prison camps in
1940/41 and the Soviets forcibly imposed their own education
and governmental institutions in Eastern Poland. This was no
liberation, it was Empire building.

Keith