"David CL Francis" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 at 16:25:42 in message
, Bill-R wrote:

The more I think about this question, and it is certainly not a
ridiculous
question, I recall Boeing doing tests on jets going back to the 707 days
with complete ground control via remote, so that they can crash test the
planes. So its been around and its been used and if it were implemented
in
civil aircraft then it would be a bonus. Maybe it has been the cost
factor
over the years why it hasnt been done, but I dont think it would be
technologically difficult to do it.

Remotely piloted full size aircraft go back years - certainly before
WW2. Everyone who has flown a radio control model has done it.

However the philosophical, psychological and safety aspects on doing
this with civil airliners is immense. There are problems of range,
control methods at distances and not least the danger that a system that
involved the possibility of remote compulsory take over seems, on the

The "compulsory" or "commandeering" aspect of flying a fully loaded airliner
from a following airplane is the point of this thread. Also, the
possibility that our own government was involved.

Many may want to toss this off as absurd, hateful and not worth considering
yet that is exactly what our government has done in the past.

(1)In 1964, the US military, with Johnson's full support, came before the US
Congress and claimed that the North Vietnamese attacked the USS Maddox in
what is now referred to as "the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Johnson asked
Congress to give the military the right to go into Vietnam and fight.
Congress agreed and passed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which marked the
beginning of the bloody Vietnam conflict. Naturally it turns out that the
military's claims were false. The Vietnamese never fired on any US ship. It
was a lie made up to give the military what it wanted, a free hand to wage
war. The skipper and many crew members of the USS Maddox stated as much
years after the end of the conflict

(2) In 1968 the placing of the USS Pueblo off North Korea was probably the
rehearsal for the USS Liberty below but the Koreans were careful not to sink
the ship and blew our plans. LBJ in charge again.

(3)1973 Israel/America(LBJ) plan sinking of USS Liberty spy ship off coast
of Egypt with Egypt to be the patsy and inflame US populace against Israel's
sneak attack against Egypt and Syria
LBJ in charge again this time assuming that another screw up as with the
Pueblo would occur but did with the complete incompetance of the Israeli
military causing LBJ's resignatio

No coincidence that Lyndon Johnson was an architect of all these
demonstraqtions of just how we here are "led" by our refusal to take these
things as "our business."


Simply horrific to think that we are to take high treason as business as
normal here in the United States but the evidence for it is overwhelming.

Something that has been said by more than one cabinet minister around the
table at the first meeting with Bush Jr. is their surprise that Bush did not
only have any particular knowledge of their departments but also had zero
interest in them. Indeed he made it plain that his only interest was
making war with Iraq and Afghanistan and his orders to them were to just
give me a reason - and deniability.

This plan of his was never spoken to his fellow Americans, the real
(supposed) government of America, during his campaign. In fact Bush never
mentioned those countries once to us.

Party animals can rant their knee-jerk hatred of this thinking but it has
not a thing to do with political parties .
This is about power pure and simple and how to get it and use it without
blowing it. Bush is a Texas Republican and LBJ is a Democrat and a most
probable close Bush family friend and fellow Texan.