"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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Didn't really have one, but so far they've always managed to work
something out. I'm not saying this is a good (or particularly smart)
thing, but I see it more as a problem for ATC than for me (as long as I
don't let them talk me into climbing into the ice).


Didn't clearance delivery already talk you into climbing into the ice?
What's your plan if departure doesn't have an alternative for you?