I agree. But I am especially bothered by accidents that don't seem to
fall under any of the above critical points.

Ramy


Ramy -

While its too early to talk about accident causation, in both cases
there appears to be some stall/spin behavior in the chain of events.

Stall/spin accidents are a known problem and an area that _all_ pilots
should be aware of. There is no excuse for not practicing them and/or
taking spin recovery training.

Every pilot should understand their CG (and its effects on stall/spin
behavior of their particular aircraft). They should also think about
stall/spin behavior and CG changes when they load up on water ballast
as well.

--Noel