"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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In article ,
(Teacherjh) wrote:


We negotiated on the ground for an hour. Their alternative was either
7000
and
their routing, or come back tomorrow. They were not going to give me
anything
else for any reason.


I'll add to this... that I brought this up at a WINGS safety meeting
(meet
with
the controllers) and they confirmed that that is the way they do
business in
the NY area.

Jose

I've had similar conversations with CD at White Plains. The gist of
them is usually something like, "unable 8000 due to icing", "OK, you
need to work it out with the departure controller once you're in the
air".

It's stupid, but at least you need to stick to your guns. I've done it
a few times. You take off, and check in with departu

"New York, Arrow 3875T, 1200 climbing 3000".

"Radar contact, climb maintain 8000".

"Unable 8000 due to icing"

"Nobody told me that, weren't you cleared to 8000 on the ground?"

"Yup, and I said unable, and the ground controller told me to work it
out with you"

eventually, they find something to do with you, but it sure doesn't seem
like the right way to run things.

Hm, I think I'd assume that it's not safe or legal for me to take off on a
clearance that I know I can't safely or legally fly (even if that's what the
ground controller suggests). It's a shame if the system expects us to do
that.

--Gary